Comments on: Common Ground with the Violent http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/ Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:59:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Tipping Sacred Cows: Marriage - The Jverse http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/comment-page-1/#comment-357718 Tipping Sacred Cows: Marriage - The Jverse Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:11:44 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/?p=3931#comment-357718 [...] my last post, lo these many weeks ago, I noted Amanda’s mind-blowing insight regarding the creation [...] [...] my last post, lo these many weeks ago, I noted Amanda’s mind-blowing insight regarding the creation [...]

]]> By: violet http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/comment-page-1/#comment-343412 violet Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:45:21 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/?p=3931#comment-343412 I think Jad is indeed suggesting that the violent enforcement of laws does not produce justice so much as violent oppression. Particularly so when the laws disproportionately affect people who are already subjects of oppression and marginalization. <blockquote>Yup, and if you disagree with one law, I’ll say it’s 100% that there are multiple other laws you agree with that also involve using police to restrain people from doing something they see as good, right, and not harmful to other people.</blockquote> I'd suggest your percentages are a bit off. I think Jad is indeed suggesting that the violent enforcement of laws does not produce justice so much as violent oppression. Particularly so when the laws disproportionately affect people who are already subjects of oppression and marginalization.

Yup, and if you disagree with one law, I’ll say it’s 100% that there are multiple other laws you agree with that also involve using police to restrain people from doing something they see as good, right, and not harmful to other people.

I’d suggest your percentages are a bit off.

]]> By: Stacy http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/comment-page-1/#comment-342265 Stacy Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:29:10 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/?p=3931#comment-342265 "<i>Because if it’s about directing police against people, support of any law in a society with law enforcement is support of violence.</i>" Yup, and if you disagree with one law, I'll say it's 100% that there are multiple other laws you agree with that also involve using police to restrain people from doing something they see as good, right, and not harmful to other people. I thought this the other day but didn't comment since I saw the original post as angry venting -- perfectly justified under the circumstances. “Because if it’s about directing police against people, support of any law in a society with law enforcement is support of violence.”

Yup, and if you disagree with one law, I’ll say it’s 100% that there are multiple other laws you agree with that also involve using police to restrain people from doing something they see as good, right, and not harmful to other people.

I thought this the other day but didn’t comment since I saw the original post as angry venting — perfectly justified under the circumstances.

]]> By: LadyGrey http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/comment-page-1/#comment-338185 LadyGrey Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:41:41 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/?p=3931#comment-338185 There are dangerous fanatics among the anti-abortion, yes. Dr. Tiller's murder made that more clear than ever. But I don't think it's helpful to conclude, as you do in this post, that all people in that movement are violent and psychotic. I'm pro-choice, but I was raised Catholic, so maybe I have more experience than many cradle liberals do with the calmer more rational anti-abortion movement. Most "pro-life" folks I grew up with expressed their views in the voting booth, or by donating money to pro-life candidates, or for the most hardcore, going to the annual march in D.C. -- that is, through civil means, not violent ones. I'm not defending the content of their beliefs. I'm not even saying that we should waste too much effort finding common ground with those people who truly disagree entirely. (There are, however, people who are anti-abortion but pro-contraception -- perhaps we might find common ground with those groups/people). I'm just saying that they're not all wild-eyed gunmen, and implying that they are seems intellectually dishonest. There are dangerous fanatics among the anti-abortion, yes. Dr. Tiller’s murder made that more clear than ever. But I don’t think it’s helpful to conclude, as you do in this post, that all people in that movement are violent and psychotic. I’m pro-choice, but I was raised Catholic, so maybe I have more experience than many cradle liberals do with the calmer more rational anti-abortion movement. Most “pro-life” folks I grew up with expressed their views in the voting booth, or by donating money to pro-life candidates, or for the most hardcore, going to the annual march in D.C. — that is, through civil means, not violent ones.

I’m not defending the content of their beliefs. I’m not even saying that we should waste too much effort finding common ground with those people who truly disagree entirely. (There are, however, people who are anti-abortion but pro-contraception — perhaps we might find common ground with those groups/people). I’m just saying that they’re not all wild-eyed gunmen, and implying that they are seems intellectually dishonest.

]]> By: Hari Khalsa http://punkassblog.com/2009/06/04/common-ground-with-the-violent/comment-page-1/#comment-337993 Hari Khalsa Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:28:04 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/?p=3931#comment-337993 Just to be clear, the violence you're talking about is the risk to the woman's body from carrying a baby to term, right? Because if it's about directing police against people, support of any law in a society with law enforcement is support of violence. Just to be clear, the violence you’re talking about is the risk to the woman’s body from carrying a baby to term, right? Because if it’s about directing police against people, support of any law in a society with law enforcement is support of violence.

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