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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/11/05/im-not-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-78309</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger, I don&#039;t think that you can reasonably assert that your friends, or their parents, necessarily speak for all Asian-identified people.  I know that&#039;s not what you said, but the generalization you made implies as much.

Not, mind you, that I&#039;m trying to be nitpicky.  I&#039;m pissed off about Proposition 8 as well, and think that the exit polling demographics are interesting enough to warrant further analysis.  Although social justice movements are generally incited by radical goals, they often become increasingly liberal with the passage of time.  

Currently, the mainstream LGBT movement is focused primarily on gay marriage and the right to serve in the military.  Frankly, those issues aren&#039;t all that high on my list of priorities.  I believe the gay community would benefit from redirecting the attention placed on those topics toward trans-inclusion or domestic violence in queer communities.  


Nevertheless, gay marriage would be a nice &lt;em&gt; symbolic&lt;/em&gt;step toward equal rights.  I know that there are tangible benefits to state-sponsored marriage as well; however, in my opinion, promoting the radical notion that gays are people should be the most imperative reason to legalize marriage for everyone.

Perhaps I&#039;m asking for too much.  Liberal activism is a lengthy process with dubious results.  Women fought for eighty years to gain suffrage.  The ERA still hasn&#039;t been ratified by enough people to pass it.  If women don&#039;t have equal rights under the law, keeping my fingers crossed for gay marriage amounts to unalloyed wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger, I don&#8217;t think that you can reasonably assert that your friends, or their parents, necessarily speak for all Asian-identified people.  I know that&#8217;s not what you said, but the generalization you made implies as much.</p>
<p>Not, mind you, that I&#8217;m trying to be nitpicky.  I&#8217;m pissed off about Proposition 8 as well, and think that the exit polling demographics are interesting enough to warrant further analysis.  Although social justice movements are generally incited by radical goals, they often become increasingly liberal with the passage of time.  </p>
<p>Currently, the mainstream LGBT movement is focused primarily on gay marriage and the right to serve in the military.  Frankly, those issues aren&#8217;t all that high on my list of priorities.  I believe the gay community would benefit from redirecting the attention placed on those topics toward trans-inclusion or domestic violence in queer communities.  </p>
<p>Nevertheless, gay marriage would be a nice <em> symbolic</em>step toward equal rights.  I know that there are tangible benefits to state-sponsored marriage as well; however, in my opinion, promoting the radical notion that gays are people should be the most imperative reason to legalize marriage for everyone.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m asking for too much.  Liberal activism is a lengthy process with dubious results.  Women fought for eighty years to gain suffrage.  The ERA still hasn&#8217;t been ratified by enough people to pass it.  If women don&#8217;t have equal rights under the law, keeping my fingers crossed for gay marriage amounts to unalloyed wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/11/05/im-not-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-78300</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violet, according to my Asian friends, Asian parents want EVERYONE to pair up. Nothing makes them happier than people getting married! They all agree that their parents would much rather see a gay child marry than see a straight child stay single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violet, according to my Asian friends, Asian parents want EVERYONE to pair up. Nothing makes them happier than people getting married! They all agree that their parents would much rather see a gay child marry than see a straight child stay single.</p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/11/05/im-not-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-78282</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was crying for a lot of reasons last night.

Fuck, California. &lt;em&gt;Seriously&lt;/em&gt;. What&#039;s &lt;em&gt;wrong&lt;/em&gt; with you?

A part of me feels bad for even feeling angry about this. I mean, marriage isn&#039;t exactly a radical institution, I shouldn&#039;t care, etc., etc. But all that aside, this says  that most of the voters in California think my relationship isn&#039;t valuable or real, my sexuality isn&#039;t valuable or real, and that we ought to step back into the closet like good little homos. And the fact that people are &lt;em&gt;celebrating&lt;/em&gt; that makes me want to vomit. (Radically.)

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Asians opposed it 53-47?

There may be a dynamic worth exploring here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could be that Asian voters are more likely to be young and less likely to be Christian (particularly evangelical).

Or that could be an ass-pull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was crying for a lot of reasons last night.</p>
<p>Fuck, California. <em>Seriously</em>. What&#8217;s <em>wrong</em> with you?</p>
<p>A part of me feels bad for even feeling angry about this. I mean, marriage isn&#8217;t exactly a radical institution, I shouldn&#8217;t care, etc., etc. But all that aside, this says  that most of the voters in California think my relationship isn&#8217;t valuable or real, my sexuality isn&#8217;t valuable or real, and that we ought to step back into the closet like good little homos. And the fact that people are <em>celebrating</em> that makes me want to vomit. (Radically.)</p>
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Asians opposed it 53-47?</p>
<p>There may be a dynamic worth exploring here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Could be that Asian voters are more likely to be young and less likely to be Christian (particularly evangelical).</p>
<p>Or that could be an ass-pull.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, typo, my mistake.  It would have been nice to have that pointed out that the dispute was about the &quot;North and South&quot; and not Hagan v. Dole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, typo, my mistake.  It would have been nice to have that pointed out that the dispute was about the &#8220;North and South&#8221; and not Hagan v. Dole.</p>
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		<title>By: Kozmic Dwyn</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/11/05/im-not-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-78270</link>
		<dc:creator>Kozmic Dwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This prop 8 thing breaks my heart. I just got back from class and went to read the news to see if anything changed for the better and I got this. I think maybe the only reason why I&#039;m not just crying now is that I don&#039;t want to wake up my roommate. I just... I just... I don&#039;t know what to do with this kind of stuff, especially in my home state. People here keep saying &quot;well, you can&#039;t ask for too much at a time, maybe next election.&quot; I just want to scream

It is not too much to ask to be treated like an human being, it is not too much to ask to not have someone else&#039;s beliefs made into law. I&#039;m done waiting and I&#039;m done being nice and friendly and polite about getting my rights. It obviously doesn&#039;t work.

Guh, I&#039;m just overwhelmingly angry. This makes my first time voting so incredibly bittersweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This prop 8 thing breaks my heart. I just got back from class and went to read the news to see if anything changed for the better and I got this. I think maybe the only reason why I&#8217;m not just crying now is that I don&#8217;t want to wake up my roommate. I just&#8230; I just&#8230; I don&#8217;t know what to do with this kind of stuff, especially in my home state. People here keep saying &#8220;well, you can&#8217;t ask for too much at a time, maybe next election.&#8221; I just want to scream</p>
<p>It is not too much to ask to be treated like an human being, it is not too much to ask to not have someone else&#8217;s beliefs made into law. I&#8217;m done waiting and I&#8217;m done being nice and friendly and polite about getting my rights. It obviously doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Guh, I&#8217;m just overwhelmingly angry. This makes my first time voting so incredibly bittersweet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda like the Daks, there are two Carolinas. One is called North Carolina, the other South Carolina. Elizabeth Dole was never a Senator from South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda like the Daks, there are two Carolinas. One is called North Carolina, the other South Carolina. Elizabeth Dole was never a Senator from South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/11/05/im-not-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-78267</link>
		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Age was most definately a major factor.  But, in sheer numbers, it was white evangelicals that pushed this over, not Democratic blacks.

And, um, yes she was: http://www.wsoctv.com/politics/17868553/detail.html#-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Age was most definately a major factor.  But, in sheer numbers, it was white evangelicals that pushed this over, not Democratic blacks.</p>
<p>And, um, yes she was: <a href="http://www.wsoctv.com/politics/17868553/detail.html#-" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsoctv.com/politics/17868553/detail.html#-</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say age, far more than religion, is the deciding factor. Older people tend to be against gay marriage. Young people, not so much. 

Having said that, the most likely demographic, by FAR, to vote to ban gay marriage in California was African American democrats. They are also the most reliably democratic voters.

In a two party country, both parties are made up of uneasy coalitions. 

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FYI: Elizabeth Dole was not defeated in South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say age, far more than religion, is the deciding factor. Older people tend to be against gay marriage. Young people, not so much. </p>
<p>Having said that, the most likely demographic, by FAR, to vote to ban gay marriage in California was African American democrats. They are also the most reliably democratic voters.</p>
<p>In a two party country, both parties are made up of uneasy coalitions. </p>
<p>***</p>
<p>FYI: Elizabeth Dole was not defeated in South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Kansas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asians opposed it 53-47?

There may be a dynamic worth exploring here.</description>
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<p>There may be a dynamic worth exploring here.</p>
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		<title>By: punkass marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>punkass marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, uh, 47% of whites is a HUGE total number of people, way bigger than 70% of black voters or 51% of Hispanic voters.  So don&#039;t let white people off the hook one bit or blame &quot;others&quot; -- that&#039;s exactly what Pam was getting at.  

Religion definitely has to answer for this bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, uh, 47% of whites is a HUGE total number of people, way bigger than 70% of black voters or 51% of Hispanic voters.  So don&#8217;t let white people off the hook one bit or blame &#8220;others&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s exactly what Pam was getting at.  </p>
<p>Religion definitely has to answer for this bigotry.</p>
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