Comments on: Go… Obama… (retch) http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/ Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:44:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74398 Quin Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:08:08 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74398 Whenever I bring this stuff up with unabashed Obama supporters I know (well, that's only two around here, but come on, I'm in Japan), they say, "well, that's just how politics works." But if it's just politics as usual, then why is everybody getting so amped up about Hope and Change? As somebody quite correctly pointed out to me recently when I pulled the same manuever on <a href="www.elizabitchez.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">another blog</a> recently: showing up somewhere and saying "I think you're wrong but I don't see the need to argue about it" is passive-aggressive. Come on, stand your ground, man! Whenever I bring this stuff up with unabashed Obama supporters I know (well, that’s only two around here, but come on, I’m in Japan), they say, “well, that’s just how politics works.” But if it’s just politics as usual, then why is everybody getting so amped up about Hope and Change?

As somebody quite correctly pointed out to me recently when I pulled the same manuever on another blog recently: showing up somewhere and saying “I think you’re wrong but I don’t see the need to argue about it” is passive-aggressive. Come on, stand your ground, man!

]]> By: Kilgore Trout http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74389 Kilgore Trout Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:39:41 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74389 I agree that no body who can get themselves elected is going to be really impressive. I do think Obama is the best option we've had in quite a while, but obviously you disagree and I see no need to argue about that. As for the billionaires support, they're not stupid. Many give money to both sides to be safe, and give more (often a lot more) to the side they think will win. This year that means Obama. Its just politics as usual, this is why you're right that no one who can be elected is going to be great. I agree that no body who can get themselves elected is going to be really impressive. I do think Obama is the best option we’ve had in quite a while, but obviously you disagree and I see no need to argue about that.

As for the billionaires support, they’re not stupid. Many give money to both sides to be safe, and give more (often a lot more) to the side they think will win. This year that means Obama. Its just politics as usual, this is why you’re right that no one who can be elected is going to be great.

]]> By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74075 Quin Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:29:59 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74075 Too true. There's so many ways that a machiavellian plan like that can backfire in unpleasant ways. By the way, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html" rel="nofollow">it's <strong>already</strong> a Holocaust.</a> Not sure what else to call 1.25 million Iraqis dead (and counting) from US invasion. Though maybe you mean a Holocaust which we Americans, too, can experience from the comfort of our own homes. Too true. There’s so many ways that a machiavellian plan like that can backfire in unpleasant ways.

By the way, it’s already a Holocaust. Not sure what else to call 1.25 million Iraqis dead (and counting) from US invasion. Though maybe you mean a Holocaust which we Americans, too, can experience from the comfort of our own homes.

]]> By: Thene http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74070 Thene Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:32:24 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74070 Women's rights and queer rights, yes. Women’s rights and queer rights, yes.

]]> By: Amanda Marcotte http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74055 Amanda Marcotte Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:06:53 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74055 Yeah, I'm not a fan of "worse before better" as a strategy, because worse can take the form of a Dark Age or a Holocaust. Yeah, I’m not a fan of “worse before better” as a strategy, because worse can take the form of a Dark Age or a Holocaust.

]]> By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74052 Quin Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:04:34 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74052 Nor would I. In my case, because I see so much innocent death in that immediate future. Even if for some reason it was crystal clear to me that Obama as president would lead to even more innocent deaths later, I don't think I could stomach actually supporting that old war mongrel. I'm still, in fact, wavering as to whether to cast a ballot for Obama. In case you can't tell, I'm not somebody who subscribes to the view that "no vote at all is a vote for the Republicans". (A vote for a Dem is a vote for a Dem, a vote for a Repub is a vote for a Repub, and a vote for neither is a vote for neither. Simple.) By the way, re:McCain wanting to trample your rights, I'm presuming you're talking women's body rights here. As for other rights, such as good old Habeus Corpus (currently flatlined and possibly DOA), Obama appears not to be any better. Evidently, just as much as our current despotic overlords, he values the nascent presidential ability to imprison any person without charge anywhere in the world. Nor would I. In my case, because I see so much innocent death in that immediate future. Even if for some reason it was crystal clear to me that Obama as president would lead to even more innocent deaths later, I don’t think I could stomach actually supporting that old war mongrel. I’m still, in fact, wavering as to whether to cast a ballot for Obama. In case you can’t tell, I’m not somebody who subscribes to the view that “no vote at all is a vote for the Republicans”. (A vote for a Dem is a vote for a Dem, a vote for a Repub is a vote for a Repub, and a vote for neither is a vote for neither. Simple.)

By the way, re:McCain wanting to trample your rights, I’m presuming you’re talking women’s body rights here. As for other rights, such as good old Habeus Corpus (currently flatlined and possibly DOA), Obama appears not to be any better. Evidently, just as much as our current despotic overlords, he values the nascent presidential ability to imprison any person without charge anywhere in the world.

]]> By: Thene http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74048 Thene Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:19:58 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74048 I hear you, but - and perhaps this makes me narrowminded - I would never have dreamed of supporting McCain, because he's so intent on trampling my rights. I hear you, but - and perhaps this makes me narrowminded - I would never have dreamed of supporting McCain, because he’s so intent on trampling my rights.

]]> By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74046 Quin Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:34:21 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74046 For the moment, at least... For the moment, at least…

]]> By: Lisa Kansas http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74044 Lisa Kansas Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:09:50 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/23/go-obama-retch/#comment-74044 Yer alive! Yer alive!

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