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		<title>By: Saavedra</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/08/18/if-you-get-drunk-youre-partially-responsible-for-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-76583</link>
		<dc:creator>Saavedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the responses. Makes me feel better and that  people understand my situation. Maybe I can let it go now. Thank you Antigone and U!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the responses. Makes me feel better and that  people understand my situation. Maybe I can let it go now. Thank you Antigone and U!</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you did not say &quot;yes&quot; it is rape.  Period, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you did not say &#8220;yes&#8221; it is rape.  Period, end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost my virginity to a guy who had sex with me while I was drunk. I don&#039;t remember this, at all. I was informed the morning after by my so-called &quot;friends&quot; who did nothing to stop it. I would NEVER EVER allow a guy I do not know, or care for take my virginity. I was gone out of my mind and don&#039;t remember a thing. I knew he hadn&#039;t been drinking that night, though. What he did, I consider rape and if no one else does then, okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost my virginity to a guy who had sex with me while I was drunk. I don&#8217;t remember this, at all. I was informed the morning after by my so-called &#8220;friends&#8221; who did nothing to stop it. I would NEVER EVER allow a guy I do not know, or care for take my virginity. I was gone out of my mind and don&#8217;t remember a thing. I knew he hadn&#8217;t been drinking that night, though. What he did, I consider rape and if no one else does then, okay.</p>
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		<title>By: u</title>
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		<dc:creator>u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh!

The situation you describe is just out-and-out rape, if it&#039;s accurate, and having been to too many sleazy frat parties it sounds hella accurate to me.

Giving a spiked drink, even if &quot;only&quot; alcohol, and then leading someone involuntarily intoxicated to have unresponsive sex with them is rape just as much as dragging someone kicking and screaming into the bushes.  There&#039;s no legal question about it, leaving aside the fact she was underage.

It&#039;s not like when a girl and a guy both get drunk together willingly and have sex, and one or both of them doesn&#039;t remember what happened and may or may not have regrets, a situation that Saavendra&#039;s sounds like.  The unfortunately problem with that is it&#039;s impossible to prove what really happened if the only two witnesses were both blitzed out of their minds and can&#039;t reliably remember what happened.  Which creates a huge problem if one willing, drunken participant claims it was a drink-spiking type situation.

That said what kind of asshole blames the girl for getting pregnant and then stiffs her half of the abortion?  Any dude in his right mind would be wiring over the whole amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh!</p>
<p>The situation you describe is just out-and-out rape, if it&#8217;s accurate, and having been to too many sleazy frat parties it sounds hella accurate to me.</p>
<p>Giving a spiked drink, even if &#8220;only&#8221; alcohol, and then leading someone involuntarily intoxicated to have unresponsive sex with them is rape just as much as dragging someone kicking and screaming into the bushes.  There&#8217;s no legal question about it, leaving aside the fact she was underage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like when a girl and a guy both get drunk together willingly and have sex, and one or both of them doesn&#8217;t remember what happened and may or may not have regrets, a situation that Saavendra&#8217;s sounds like.  The unfortunately problem with that is it&#8217;s impossible to prove what really happened if the only two witnesses were both blitzed out of their minds and can&#8217;t reliably remember what happened.  Which creates a huge problem if one willing, drunken participant claims it was a drink-spiking type situation.</p>
<p>That said what kind of asshole blames the girl for getting pregnant and then stiffs her half of the abortion?  Any dude in his right mind would be wiring over the whole amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure: based on the description, my inclination is yes.  He never asked you for your consent: you never said &quot;yes&quot;.  To me, one should get affirmative assent, not just assumed consent.

At the very least, he&#039;s an ass for not respecting your wish for a condom.  Based on the description HE remembers, that sounds like rape: the condom was the condition for the sex.  When he says &quot;passion took us over&quot; it sounds more like passion took him over.  But I don&#039;t know, I wasn&#039;t there.  Legally, you&#039;re not going to get it prosecuted.  But, you should keep badgering him for half the abortion money.

Having sex while drunk is not the dumbest thing in the world someone could do.  You shouldn&#039;t feel shame, even if it was just a mistake in the heat of an inebriated passion.  Your situation is one of the reasons we have abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure: based on the description, my inclination is yes.  He never asked you for your consent: you never said &#8220;yes&#8221;.  To me, one should get affirmative assent, not just assumed consent.</p>
<p>At the very least, he&#8217;s an ass for not respecting your wish for a condom.  Based on the description HE remembers, that sounds like rape: the condom was the condition for the sex.  When he says &#8220;passion took us over&#8221; it sounds more like passion took him over.  But I don&#8217;t know, I wasn&#8217;t there.  Legally, you&#8217;re not going to get it prosecuted.  But, you should keep badgering him for half the abortion money.</p>
<p>Having sex while drunk is not the dumbest thing in the world someone could do.  You shouldn&#8217;t feel shame, even if it was just a mistake in the heat of an inebriated passion.  Your situation is one of the reasons we have abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Saavedra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saavedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still confused. Months have passed and all the time I&#039;ve been blaming myself for getting stupid drunk, but just realised that HE should have been decent enough not to have sex with me in my condition. Here is what happened, please tell me what you think (I have never been one to always be on the woman&#039;s side so I can see it both ways). Let me know if you think it was rape or not.
I was at a weekend convention for work. I didnt know anyone except my coworkers, and on top of that was really stressed out because Finals were comin up and I should have been studyin rather than working. The night before I flew bck home there was a party where everyone gets to say bye and get to know each other better. I met this guy who was cute and we decided to drink tequila. I was 21 and he was 39. Turns out, the two of us ended up drinking the entire bottle of tequila - equally, even though Im petit and 5&#039;2 and he was an exfootball player. I woke up the next morning in his room, saw the empty bottle and could not remember too much. Bits and pieces. I tried to remember whether we had sex and could not. I was not sore or anything so figured we both just passed out. The next day on the flight home, I passed out on the plane prob due to too much sugar in my blood from the alcohol. I was hungover and sick for 2 days.
     Two weeks later I found out Im pregnant and hes the only one it could be. I call him and ask what happened that night. He said, &quot;you know, you told me you didnt want to have sex b/c we didnt have a condom but I said dont worry I dont have any diseases - but you said no b/c you didnt have birth control, but then I guess the passion took us over and we did it anyway.&quot;
When I told him I was pregnant and needed him to pay half for the abortion, he asked why I didnt take the morning after pill and then said he&#039;d get back to me he had to check his pay check out on Friday. Ofcourse, he never called me or answred my calls so we never spoke again. I know it was an ass of him not to get back to me but what I want to know is, If I cant remember is that my stupidity or did he rape me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still confused. Months have passed and all the time I&#8217;ve been blaming myself for getting stupid drunk, but just realised that HE should have been decent enough not to have sex with me in my condition. Here is what happened, please tell me what you think (I have never been one to always be on the woman&#8217;s side so I can see it both ways). Let me know if you think it was rape or not.<br />
I was at a weekend convention for work. I didnt know anyone except my coworkers, and on top of that was really stressed out because Finals were comin up and I should have been studyin rather than working. The night before I flew bck home there was a party where everyone gets to say bye and get to know each other better. I met this guy who was cute and we decided to drink tequila. I was 21 and he was 39. Turns out, the two of us ended up drinking the entire bottle of tequila &#8211; equally, even though Im petit and 5&#8217;2 and he was an exfootball player. I woke up the next morning in his room, saw the empty bottle and could not remember too much. Bits and pieces. I tried to remember whether we had sex and could not. I was not sore or anything so figured we both just passed out. The next day on the flight home, I passed out on the plane prob due to too much sugar in my blood from the alcohol. I was hungover and sick for 2 days.<br />
     Two weeks later I found out Im pregnant and hes the only one it could be. I call him and ask what happened that night. He said, &#8220;you know, you told me you didnt want to have sex b/c we didnt have a condom but I said dont worry I dont have any diseases &#8211; but you said no b/c you didnt have birth control, but then I guess the passion took us over and we did it anyway.&#8221;<br />
When I told him I was pregnant and needed him to pay half for the abortion, he asked why I didnt take the morning after pill and then said he&#8217;d get back to me he had to check his pay check out on Friday. Ofcourse, he never called me or answred my calls so we never spoke again. I know it was an ass of him not to get back to me but what I want to know is, If I cant remember is that my stupidity or did he rape me?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Kansas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antigone, I&#039;ve rescued more friends than I could possibly keep count of.  Trust me, they DON&#039;T mind.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antigone, I&#8217;ve rescued more friends than I could possibly keep count of.  Trust me, they DON&#8217;T mind.  <img src='http://punkassblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me clarify: in the case were both participants were inebriated, and facially willing.  In your case, of course, it is rape- you weren&#039;t even facially willing, and this did not constitute consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me clarify: in the case were both participants were inebriated, and facially willing.  In your case, of course, it is rape- you weren&#8217;t even facially willing, and this did not constitute consent.</p>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only place I’m willing to give it ANY leeway is when both parties are drinking: neither is in their right mind, so deciding who was the responsible party is neigh impossible (unless there is a clear disparate: one drink vs. passing-out drunk).&quot;

I heartily disagree with this. The best friend I ever had was actually a former roommate (and extremely close friend in her own right)&#039;s 50-odd year old mother, whom I worked with for four plus years in my early twenties. One night,  on the anniversary of her having lost a nephew very special to her, I brought a bottle of wine over to her and her husband&#039;s house. She and I sat in the kitchen, drinking that bottle and then another, while her husband popped in and out at various intervals to refill his glass of whiskey. Once my friend was nodding a bit, her husband gestured to me behind her head that he had weed. I knew he smoked (as did I at the time) and I knew she did not and vaguely disapproved, so I surreptiously nodded my assent to smoke. My friend went to bed and the son-of-a-bitch held me down, covered my mouth and raped me for what seemed like forever. Just because I was drunk and he was drunk, and what&#039;s more I had stuck around to smoke illict substances with him, does not mean there was EVER the slightest chance I would have EVER consented to have sex with this disgusting old man who doubled as my best friend&#039;s husband and roommate&#039;s father. The thought quite honestly never crossed my mind. Regardless of the fact that he was drunk - it doesn&#039;t negate the fact that, as Antigone says, HE WAS A RAPIST. Getting drunk doesn&#039;t make you more inclined to rape. It may, in some cases, cause confusion and result in missed signals, but drinking does not turn men into rapists. Alcohol could never excuse or be the root of rape. The selfish, ego-consumed wants of a rapist are all that lie at the root of rape.
Quite simply, there can be no standard of pardon or understanding. There are too many people and too many stories in this world for there to be any one absolute judgement, exception or standard. Everyone has tragedies in their lives, some worse than others. We simply can&#039;t make blanket statements and judgements about anyone or anything. Human experience, by defintion, is simply too complex.

All I can do is remember that it&#039;s what fails to make us bitter, given its best efforts, that ultimately makes us better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only place I’m willing to give it ANY leeway is when both parties are drinking: neither is in their right mind, so deciding who was the responsible party is neigh impossible (unless there is a clear disparate: one drink vs. passing-out drunk).&#8221;</p>
<p>I heartily disagree with this. The best friend I ever had was actually a former roommate (and extremely close friend in her own right)&#8217;s 50-odd year old mother, whom I worked with for four plus years in my early twenties. One night,  on the anniversary of her having lost a nephew very special to her, I brought a bottle of wine over to her and her husband&#8217;s house. She and I sat in the kitchen, drinking that bottle and then another, while her husband popped in and out at various intervals to refill his glass of whiskey. Once my friend was nodding a bit, her husband gestured to me behind her head that he had weed. I knew he smoked (as did I at the time) and I knew she did not and vaguely disapproved, so I surreptiously nodded my assent to smoke. My friend went to bed and the son-of-a-bitch held me down, covered my mouth and raped me for what seemed like forever. Just because I was drunk and he was drunk, and what&#8217;s more I had stuck around to smoke illict substances with him, does not mean there was EVER the slightest chance I would have EVER consented to have sex with this disgusting old man who doubled as my best friend&#8217;s husband and roommate&#8217;s father. The thought quite honestly never crossed my mind. Regardless of the fact that he was drunk &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t negate the fact that, as Antigone says, HE WAS A RAPIST. Getting drunk doesn&#8217;t make you more inclined to rape. It may, in some cases, cause confusion and result in missed signals, but drinking does not turn men into rapists. Alcohol could never excuse or be the root of rape. The selfish, ego-consumed wants of a rapist are all that lie at the root of rape.<br />
Quite simply, there can be no standard of pardon or understanding. There are too many people and too many stories in this world for there to be any one absolute judgement, exception or standard. Everyone has tragedies in their lives, some worse than others. We simply can&#8217;t make blanket statements and judgements about anyone or anything. Human experience, by defintion, is simply too complex.</p>
<p>All I can do is remember that it&#8217;s what fails to make us bitter, given its best efforts, that ultimately makes us better.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oiy, this Bindel sounds like an idiot.  Aside from the fact that it is completely heterocenterist, it also reinforces sex as something men do to women.  It kills the woman as an active participant, also capable of raping.

Re: sexual and social education

I sort of hit a weird place growing up, between growing up with conservative paranoia and liberal empathy.  As kind of a side-effect, I truly do believe that &quot;I am my sister&#039;s keeper&quot; action; not as a legal morality (that&#039;s the government being everyone&#039;s keeper) but as a individual-to-individual case.  I&#039;ve knocked on my neighbor&#039;s doors when I hear yelling and shattered glass (and once, I pulled the woman into my place while the cops were called).   I keep my eyes open at parties.  I ask the neighborhood kids about bruises they get (it&#039;s not as pointed as one might think, it tends to be &quot;that&#039;s quite a bruise, did you get it at your baseball game?)  And, I have been called, many, many times (probably rightly) a busy-body.  But, since it kept V from getting raped, and my neighbor from getting further hurt (that night), I&#039;ll keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oiy, this Bindel sounds like an idiot.  Aside from the fact that it is completely heterocenterist, it also reinforces sex as something men do to women.  It kills the woman as an active participant, also capable of raping.</p>
<p>Re: sexual and social education</p>
<p>I sort of hit a weird place growing up, between growing up with conservative paranoia and liberal empathy.  As kind of a side-effect, I truly do believe that &#8220;I am my sister&#8217;s keeper&#8221; action; not as a legal morality (that&#8217;s the government being everyone&#8217;s keeper) but as a individual-to-individual case.  I&#8217;ve knocked on my neighbor&#8217;s doors when I hear yelling and shattered glass (and once, I pulled the woman into my place while the cops were called).   I keep my eyes open at parties.  I ask the neighborhood kids about bruises they get (it&#8217;s not as pointed as one might think, it tends to be &#8220;that&#8217;s quite a bruise, did you get it at your baseball game?)  And, I have been called, many, many times (probably rightly) a busy-body.  But, since it kept V from getting raped, and my neighbor from getting further hurt (that night), I&#8217;ll keep it.</p>
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