Comments on: “The proof in the pudding” http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:35:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-71001 Quin Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:31:29 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-71001 Not so confident Obama won't lead us into World War III either. He certainly has made no bones about the fact that he thinks it's America's duty to continue military adventurism. On the anti-war vs feminism front, I certainly don't think they need to be at odds with each other. But, it's worth acknowledging that it's kind of hard to support gender equality for someone who you've killed. Or even for whom you're just creating a constantly life-threatening environment. War zones, even well after they're no longer "war zones", are where <a href = "http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174895" rel="nofollow">rights for women go to die.</a> Or, when you said "there’s gotta be a working infrastructure with live people of both genders to enable me to even strive for gender equality", were you speaking strictly from the point of view of American citizens? Not so confident Obama won’t lead us into World War III either. He certainly has made no bones about the fact that he thinks it’s America’s duty to continue military adventurism.

On the anti-war vs feminism front, I certainly don’t think they need to be at odds with each other. But, it’s worth acknowledging that it’s kind of hard to support gender equality for someone who you’ve killed. Or even for whom you’re just creating a constantly life-threatening environment. War zones, even well after they’re no longer “war zones”, are where rights for women go to die.

Or, when you said “there’s gotta be a working infrastructure with live people of both genders to enable me to even strive for gender equality”, were you speaking strictly from the point of view of American citizens?

]]> By: Lisa Kansas http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70960 Lisa Kansas Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:08:28 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70960 This whole Obama thing for me is like publicly supporting your politician husband after he's been caught cavorting with some 20-year-old--I understand women who do it, but I always knew I'd never be able to. Til Obama, when I did it, til, er, my politician husband there started <em>cracking jokes</em> about said cavorting, which I thought really was a little too much even for the loyal wife to have to publicly smile and stroke over. But then, civic duty does call and I agree with whoever up there said John McCain will lead us into World War III with the Middle East. I don't agree from a philosophical perspective that being "anti-war" is "more" important than being feminist, but there's gotta be a working infrastructure with live people of both genders to enable me to even <em>strive</em> for gender equality, eh? This whole Obama thing for me is like publicly supporting your politician husband after he’s been caught cavorting with some 20-year-old–I understand women who do it, but I always knew I’d never be able to. Til Obama, when I did it, til, er, my politician husband there started cracking jokes about said cavorting, which I thought really was a little too much even for the loyal wife to have to publicly smile and stroke over. But then, civic duty does call and I agree with whoever up there said John McCain will lead us into World War III with the Middle East. I don’t agree from a philosophical perspective that being “anti-war” is “more” important than being feminist, but there’s gotta be a working infrastructure with live people of both genders to enable me to even strive for gender equality, eh?

]]> By: Quin http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70841 Quin Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:26:45 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70841 Because these goals of the left don't support the status quo, who (by definition) don't want their comfortable perches shaken up by anything. The right wing can easily be manipulated in a way which serves rich and powerful bastards everywhere. Actually, so can the left-- the secret is just to never give them what they want in the first place. Just promise that changes will occur "once the Democrats win this next election". Then, if you win, just say "the next election is far too important to endanger by making these changes. We'll wait just a bit longer and do it once the Democrats win this <b><i>next</b></i> election." Rinse, repeat ad infinitum. Because these goals of the left don’t support the status quo, who (by definition) don’t want their comfortable perches shaken up by anything. The right wing can easily be manipulated in a way which serves rich and powerful bastards everywhere.

Actually, so can the left– the secret is just to never give them what they want in the first place. Just promise that changes will occur “once the Democrats win this next election”. Then, if you win, just say “the next election is far too important to endanger by making these changes. We’ll wait just a bit longer and do it once the Democrats win this next election.” Rinse, repeat ad infinitum.

]]> By: sabrina http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70793 sabrina Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:09:56 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70793 I wasn't a fan of Obama's in the primaries, but, after he won, I was still okay for voting for him. I even donated money to his campaign, thinking he was actually going to be okay. Imagine my surprise when after winning the primaries, he completely turned his back on the left and made us out to be a bunch of radical left wing hippies. You know, cause only radical revolutionaries care about the fourth amendment. I think the democrats got suckered in to this one, everybody excited about how amazing it would be to have a non-white president, how well he spoke, how we echoed our concerns. Its always exciting when there is someone new to vote for, but, at least with people who have been out there for a while, you know where they are coming from. I think Obama just side swiped the democratic party, and I think the MSM played a large part in that. Another question I have, why do both parties try so hard to win the far right of the Republican party (those fetus loving, Christ-crazy, gun toting, bomb anyone in an oil rich country constituents) and make them out to have serious concerns and a relevant say in politics.? Meanwhile, people on the left who believe in basic civil rights for everyone, civil liberty protection, and protection of our planet, are made out to be radical, left wing hippies who must be avoided at all costs? I wasn’t a fan of Obama’s in the primaries, but, after he won, I was still okay for voting for him. I even donated money to his campaign, thinking he was actually going to be okay. Imagine my surprise when after winning the primaries, he completely turned his back on the left and made us out to be a bunch of radical left wing hippies. You know, cause only radical revolutionaries care about the fourth amendment. I think the democrats got suckered in to this one, everybody excited about how amazing it would be to have a non-white president, how well he spoke, how we echoed our concerns. Its always exciting when there is someone new to vote for, but, at least with people who have been out there for a while, you know where they are coming from. I think Obama just side swiped the democratic party, and I think the MSM played a large part in that.

Another question I have, why do both parties try so hard to win the far right of the Republican party (those fetus loving, Christ-crazy, gun toting, bomb anyone in an oil rich country constituents) and make them out to have serious concerns and a relevant say in politics.? Meanwhile, people on the left who believe in basic civil rights for everyone, civil liberty protection, and protection of our planet, are made out to be radical, left wing hippies who must be avoided at all costs?

]]> By: ks http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70792 ks Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:11:32 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70792 My husband makes that argument about Obama all the time and it infuriates me to no end. I don't hate the man and I will vote for him in the fall because he's certainly better than the alternative, but don't go acting like he's all progressive and liberal and will save us from the conservatives. He's a political animal, just like the rest of them, and he'll sell his soul to the devil if that's what he thinks it'll take to get and stay elected. He just gives a good speech and is better at hiding his politician-ness (for lack of a better word) than most. It's one of the reasons I liked Kucinich so much. I may not agree with everything the man stands for, but he has principles and he seems to stick to them. It's also why I liked Hilary. I know what issues she'll sell out on and what she won't. And she doesn't pretend that she's above it all, either. My husband makes that argument about Obama all the time and it infuriates me to no end.

I don’t hate the man and I will vote for him in the fall because he’s certainly better than the alternative, but don’t go acting like he’s all progressive and liberal and will save us from the conservatives. He’s a political animal, just like the rest of them, and he’ll sell his soul to the devil if that’s what he thinks it’ll take to get and stay elected. He just gives a good speech and is better at hiding his politician-ness (for lack of a better word) than most.

It’s one of the reasons I liked Kucinich so much. I may not agree with everything the man stands for, but he has principles and he seems to stick to them. It’s also why I liked Hilary. I know what issues she’ll sell out on and what she won’t. And she doesn’t pretend that she’s above it all, either.

]]> By: that one guy from the one place http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70785 that one guy from the one place Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:11:08 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2008/07/14/the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/#comment-70785 just because somebody isn't old, white and male on the outside doesn't mean they aren't old, white and male on the inside. just because somebody isn’t old, white and male on the outside doesn’t mean they aren’t old, white and male on the inside.

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