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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69285</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busted, there&#039;s a time and a place for everything.  These jokes are not only offensive because they&#039;re sexist, they&#039;re also offensive because they are old, bad, and at least in the case of the women = problems one, wrong.  (The original version is women = evil, of course, which makes more sense.  This one was obviously watered down for office use.  Thanks for solving the problem with that one, anonymous photoshop hero!)

Since Lisa got this at work, it would make a great piece of evidence to prove hostile environment, should any of the women on the listserv ever find themselves having to sue for sexual harassment.  So in this case, these jokes, which are only new and funny and worth spreading around to you if you&#039;ve only had internet access for 10 minutes of your life, are more actionable than hilarious.  

When viewed in that light, whomever sent them is an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busted, there&#8217;s a time and a place for everything.  These jokes are not only offensive because they&#8217;re sexist, they&#8217;re also offensive because they are old, bad, and at least in the case of the women = problems one, wrong.  (The original version is women = evil, of course, which makes more sense.  This one was obviously watered down for office use.  Thanks for solving the problem with that one, anonymous photoshop hero!)</p>
<p>Since Lisa got this at work, it would make a great piece of evidence to prove hostile environment, should any of the women on the listserv ever find themselves having to sue for sexual harassment.  So in this case, these jokes, which are only new and funny and worth spreading around to you if you&#8217;ve only had internet access for 10 minutes of your life, are more actionable than hilarious.  </p>
<p>When viewed in that light, whomever sent them is an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69284</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*giggle*

Busted, you are quite right. I mean, when I was sexually harassed a few years ago by an old boss, I hated it, but he thought it was great, so why should he be punished for my lack of humor?
He thought it was funny to call me names, and shove his hand up my skirt, but me, being a humorless feminist and all, couldn&#039;t simply just take a joke. 
You have enlightened me to the error of my silly, humorless ways. The next time a guy wants to violate me like that, hell, I&#039;ll just rip my clothes off to make it easier for him! After all, it&#039;s all in good fun, right? Ha ha!








Dickweed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*giggle*</p>
<p>Busted, you are quite right. I mean, when I was sexually harassed a few years ago by an old boss, I hated it, but he thought it was great, so why should he be punished for my lack of humor?<br />
He thought it was funny to call me names, and shove his hand up my skirt, but me, being a humorless feminist and all, couldn&#8217;t simply just take a joke.<br />
You have enlightened me to the error of my silly, humorless ways. The next time a guy wants to violate me like that, hell, I&#8217;ll just rip my clothes off to make it easier for him! After all, it&#8217;s all in good fun, right? Ha ha!</p>
<p>Dickweed.</p>
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		<title>By: zingerella</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69249</link>
		<dc:creator>zingerella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa KS

THAT&#039;S NOT FUNNY!!!!ONE!!!!SHRILLNESS!!!!!111!!!</description>
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<p>THAT&#8217;S NOT FUNNY!!!!ONE!!!!SHRILLNESS!!!!!111!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Kansas</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69246</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zing, you&#039;re nothing but a humorless feminist yeti.  Lighten &lt;em&gt;up&lt;/em&gt;, please!  Do I have to tie you down and make you watch videos of men getting nailed in the nads with steel plates again til you can tell it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; just in good funny fun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zing, you&#8217;re nothing but a humorless feminist yeti.  Lighten <em>up</em>, please!  Do I have to tie you down and make you watch videos of men getting nailed in the nads with steel plates again til you can tell it&#8217;s <em>all</em> just in good funny fun?</p>
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		<title>By: zingerella</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69243</link>
		<dc:creator>zingerella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busted, which joke are you referring to? Also, are you real and not just some machine-generated toll-subroutine that scans the progressive/feminist blogosphere looking for the keywords &quot;humor   offensive   women&quot; and spews forth some irrelevant fiction about a hypothetical grandmother?

&#039;Cuz that seems waaay more likely to me than the idea that you sat down as a thinking person and typed out that comment without stopping to think for even a moment that1) the fact that these jokes make fun of women is indeed the entire point, 2) rape is never funny, 3) we &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that most humor (except for puns) is at the expense of someone or something, and 4) whether or not something is &lt;i&gt;intended&lt;/i&gt; to a make someone feel uncomfortable doesnt  change the fact that it can and does make people feel uncomfortable. 

Also, I cincerely doubt that your undoubtedly Internet-savvy grandmother &quot;told&quot; you any of those jokes. I&#039;m not sure how anyone, grandmotherly or not, &quot;tells&quot; an e-mail forward. Peple &quot;send&quot; e-mail forwards, or &quot;forward&quot; them. Or are you familiar with that internet tradition? 

Turnip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busted, which joke are you referring to? Also, are you real and not just some machine-generated toll-subroutine that scans the progressive/feminist blogosphere looking for the keywords &#8220;humor   offensive   women&#8221; and spews forth some irrelevant fiction about a hypothetical grandmother?</p>
<p>&#8216;Cuz that seems waaay more likely to me than the idea that you sat down as a thinking person and typed out that comment without stopping to think for even a moment that1) the fact that these jokes make fun of women is indeed the entire point, 2) rape is never funny, 3) we <i>know</i> that most humor (except for puns) is at the expense of someone or something, and 4) whether or not something is <i>intended</i> to a make someone feel uncomfortable doesnt  change the fact that it can and does make people feel uncomfortable. </p>
<p>Also, I cincerely doubt that your undoubtedly Internet-savvy grandmother &#8220;told&#8221; you any of those jokes. I&#8217;m not sure how anyone, grandmotherly or not, &#8220;tells&#8221; an e-mail forward. Peple &#8220;send&#8221; e-mail forwards, or &#8220;forward&#8221; them. Or are you familiar with that internet tradition? </p>
<p>Turnip.</p>
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		<title>By: Busted</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69242</link>
		<dc:creator>Busted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most jokes are offensive, because they &quot;make fun&quot; of something. This joke makes fun of women.  Is it the end of the world?  No, people make fun of everything from rape to the moon. 

If you don&#039;t get a laugh out of it, it doesn&#039;t mean people need to be disciplined.  It means someone tried to make you laugh and failed.  I doubt it was sent maliciously to make you uncomfortable at work.  

If this joke makes you uncomfortable,  you must have been raised in a very sheltered environment.  The first time I heard this joke, my 72 yr old grandmother told it to me; she thought it was a riot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most jokes are offensive, because they &#8220;make fun&#8221; of something. This joke makes fun of women.  Is it the end of the world?  No, people make fun of everything from rape to the moon. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t get a laugh out of it, it doesn&#8217;t mean people need to be disciplined.  It means someone tried to make you laugh and failed.  I doubt it was sent maliciously to make you uncomfortable at work.  </p>
<p>If this joke makes you uncomfortable,  you must have been raised in a very sheltered environment.  The first time I heard this joke, my 72 yr old grandmother told it to me; she thought it was a riot!</p>
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		<title>By: zingerella</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69217</link>
		<dc:creator>zingerella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This? This is one of the reasons people stay in pink-collar ghettos. I don&#039;t have to deal with this nonsense. I work on a team of six women, run by a woman. Interestingly enough, we don&#039;t send around jokes bashing men, either. Of course, as an educated and trained, mid-career professional making a pretty good salary in the best-paying corner of my industry, I earn roughly two-thirds what I would earn as a computer programmer or an engineer with similar levels of education and training, at a similar stage in my career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This? This is one of the reasons people stay in pink-collar ghettos. I don&#8217;t have to deal with this nonsense. I work on a team of six women, run by a woman. Interestingly enough, we don&#8217;t send around jokes bashing men, either. Of course, as an educated and trained, mid-career professional making a pretty good salary in the best-paying corner of my industry, I earn roughly two-thirds what I would earn as a computer programmer or an engineer with similar levels of education and training, at a similar stage in my career.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69216</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to get stuff like that forwarded to me, too.  Maybe they thought I&#039;d be flattered that they considered me an honorary guy?  I mean, these were men who referred to taking care of their kids as &quot;babysitting.&quot;  I think that a reply to your company&#039;s original sender with the simple words &quot;You&#039;re an idiot&quot; is always a good response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to get stuff like that forwarded to me, too.  Maybe they thought I&#8217;d be flattered that they considered me an honorary guy?  I mean, these were men who referred to taking care of their kids as &#8220;babysitting.&#8221;  I think that a reply to your company&#8217;s original sender with the simple words &#8220;You&#8217;re an idiot&#8221; is always a good response.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Kansas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/17/oh-the-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-69156</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thank you for your kind offer, but I’m afraid I’ve tired of the thought of women altogether after expending too many bodily fluids thinking about what a real one must be like.&lt;/i&gt;

Here in Portugal they have some Ali G-type comedians, one of whom has a character called the Macho Gay Guy or something like that.  It&#039;s a sleazy-looking guy dressed like a stereotypical womanizer, with shirt unbuttoned halfway down the chest and lots of jewelry, running around a street hitting on guys, saying &quot;I could take you to heaven&quot; and groping random men.  In between shots of him harassing people, he does interview type clips where he says things like, &quot;Men are so much better than women, I could never sleep with a woman.&quot;  and &quot;I love all men, they are all beautiful.  Even the ugly ones, they are smart, so I sleep with them too.&quot;

It&#039;s so simple, yet so brilliant.  Hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thank you for your kind offer, but I’m afraid I’ve tired of the thought of women altogether after expending too many bodily fluids thinking about what a real one must be like.</i></p>
<p>Here in Portugal they have some Ali G-type comedians, one of whom has a character called the Macho Gay Guy or something like that.  It&#8217;s a sleazy-looking guy dressed like a stereotypical womanizer, with shirt unbuttoned halfway down the chest and lots of jewelry, running around a street hitting on guys, saying &#8220;I could take you to heaven&#8221; and groping random men.  In between shots of him harassing people, he does interview type clips where he says things like, &#8220;Men are so much better than women, I could never sleep with a woman.&#8221;  and &#8220;I love all men, they are all beautiful.  Even the ugly ones, they are smart, so I sleep with them too.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so simple, yet so brilliant.  Hilarious.</p>
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