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	<title>Comments on: The Deification of Stay-At-Home Motherhood</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68478</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^Are you always a jerk or are you just having a bad PMS day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^Are you always a jerk or are you just having a bad PMS day?</p>
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		<title>By: derrp</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68467</link>
		<dc:creator>derrp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^Thanks for the moral lesson, jackass.  You can fuck off now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^Thanks for the moral lesson, jackass.  You can fuck off now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68439</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they calculated a dollar value for the work a woman performs as a wife and mother.    That's interesting. Is the $117K before or after taxes?  Motherhood is certainly not easy.  Why don't they also calculate a dollar value for the sex provided by a wife to her husband?  High class hookers usually get big bucks.  Isn't the sex provided by a wife worth at least as much?  

Personally, I don't see a difference between a woman who would assign a dollar value to her effort as a parent and a woman who would assign a dollar value to sex.  Moral of my point: it is tacky to attach a dollar value to a personal relationship.

Additionally - a "stay at home mommy" doesn’t have a boss.  That must be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they calculated a dollar value for the work a woman performs as a wife and mother.    That&#8217;s interesting. Is the $117K before or after taxes?  Motherhood is certainly not easy.  Why don&#8217;t they also calculate a dollar value for the sex provided by a wife to her husband?  High class hookers usually get big bucks.  Isn&#8217;t the sex provided by a wife worth at least as much?  </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see a difference between a woman who would assign a dollar value to her effort as a parent and a woman who would assign a dollar value to sex.  Moral of my point: it is tacky to attach a dollar value to a personal relationship.</p>
<p>Additionally - a &#8220;stay at home mommy&#8221; doesn’t have a boss.  That must be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Thene</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68314</link>
		<dc:creator>Thene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But yeah, stay-at-home dads do a lot of the same work, and nobody’s canonizing them as a class.&lt;/i&gt;

I think most people are quietly trying to forget that those aberrations even exist.  Same as with single fathers.

There was a similar study to this done in the UK which reached a &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7252504.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;much lower figure&lt;/a&gt;, one that might be more in line with reality.

One reason it might be worth adding this up - it's good to know how much prosperity is lost to society because mothers are pushed out of the workplace.  *le sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But yeah, stay-at-home dads do a lot of the same work, and nobody’s canonizing them as a class.</i></p>
<p>I think most people are quietly trying to forget that those aberrations even exist.  Same as with single fathers.</p>
<p>There was a similar study to this done in the UK which reached a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7252504.stm" rel="nofollow">much lower figure</a>, one that might be more in line with reality.</p>
<p>One reason it might be worth adding this up - it&#8217;s good to know how much prosperity is lost to society because mothers are pushed out of the workplace.  *le sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68303</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these articles existed to draw attention to the value of this work and find ways for society to compensate laborers for it, I'd be behind it.  But it's not.  It's just about guilt-tripping working mothers, and giving housewives reason to feel better about not being out there making their own money so they aren't as vulnerable to cheating or abusive husbands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these articles existed to draw attention to the value of this work and find ways for society to compensate laborers for it, I&#8217;d be behind it.  But it&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s just about guilt-tripping working mothers, and giving housewives reason to feel better about not being out there making their own money so they aren&#8217;t as vulnerable to cheating or abusive husbands.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Queen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68283</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you . That was awesome. 

And there is one situation where &lt;a href="“http://elizabitchez.blogspot.com/2008/05/obligatory-mothers-day-post.html”" rel="nofollow"&gt;we pay women to be stay at home moms.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you . That was awesome. </p>
<p>And there is one situation where <a href="“http://elizabitchez.blogspot.com/2008/05/obligatory-mothers-day-post.html”" rel="nofollow">we pay women to be stay at home moms.</a></p>
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		<title>By: zingerella</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68280</link>
		<dc:creator>zingerella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. 

This stuff just annoys me, for all the very good reasons you enumerated, Lisa. I don't have anything substantive to add, though. The faulty logic, math, and rhetoric of those who claim that SAHM motherhood just drives me nuts. 

I understand that middle-class educated SAHMs (the opt-out class, if you will) may feel that they have to justify their choices, especially if, like me, they were taught that it's their Duty to Feminism to Make Their Marks in the workplace. 

I understand that there is something to be gained by examining the possible monetary value of unpaid labour traditionally performed by women (where "traditionally" means "traditionally in middle-class homes not wealthy enough to outsource these jobs to nannies, maids, housekeepers and other underpaid domestic labourers, but wealthy enough that the household could afford for one potential earner to stay home and perform all those tasks."). It's important to acknowledge that these women are contributing to their households and families, and it does them no credit to assume that everything they do is easy. It's important to acknowledge that when one partner stays home, the other partner may be benefiting from domestic labour that would otherwise be expensive. 

But yeah, stay-at-home dads do a lot of the same work, and nobody's canonizing &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; as a class. Working moms pull the second shift at home, as do some working dads. 

Also? I really want to know how running one household with one or possible two locations, and probably fewer than seven participants (not counting pets) could possibly hold challenges or require skills similar to those of a CEO. Like Lisa said, small business-owner, sure. Office manager for large company, sure. Group manager or team lead, not too far off. I really wouldn't want to meet someone who parented the way most CEOs I've met run their companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. </p>
<p>This stuff just annoys me, for all the very good reasons you enumerated, Lisa. I don&#8217;t have anything substantive to add, though. The faulty logic, math, and rhetoric of those who claim that SAHM motherhood just drives me nuts. </p>
<p>I understand that middle-class educated SAHMs (the opt-out class, if you will) may feel that they have to justify their choices, especially if, like me, they were taught that it&#8217;s their Duty to Feminism to Make Their Marks in the workplace. </p>
<p>I understand that there is something to be gained by examining the possible monetary value of unpaid labour traditionally performed by women (where &#8220;traditionally&#8221; means &#8220;traditionally in middle-class homes not wealthy enough to outsource these jobs to nannies, maids, housekeepers and other underpaid domestic labourers, but wealthy enough that the household could afford for one potential earner to stay home and perform all those tasks.&#8221;). It&#8217;s important to acknowledge that these women are contributing to their households and families, and it does them no credit to assume that everything they do is easy. It&#8217;s important to acknowledge that when one partner stays home, the other partner may be benefiting from domestic labour that would otherwise be expensive. </p>
<p>But yeah, stay-at-home dads do a lot of the same work, and nobody&#8217;s canonizing <i>them</i> as a class. Working moms pull the second shift at home, as do some working dads. </p>
<p>Also? I really want to know how running one household with one or possible two locations, and probably fewer than seven participants (not counting pets) could possibly hold challenges or require skills similar to those of a CEO. Like Lisa said, small business-owner, sure. Office manager for large company, sure. Group manager or team lead, not too far off. I really wouldn&#8217;t want to meet someone who parented the way most CEOs I&#8217;ve met run their companies.</p>
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		<title>By: jfpbookworm</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/06/04/the-deification-of-stay-at-home-motherhood/#comment-68259</link>
		<dc:creator>jfpbookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, obviously the "study" was just a PR stunt to get their name in the news around Mother's Day.  It's like the glurge about paying teachers minimum wage per student,

I'd also be curious as to how long the "second shift" is for other groups, such as women without children in the household or working/stay-at-home fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, obviously the &#8220;study&#8221; was just a PR stunt to get their name in the news around Mother&#8217;s Day.  It&#8217;s like the glurge about paying teachers minimum wage per student,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be curious as to how long the &#8220;second shift&#8221; is for other groups, such as women without children in the household or working/stay-at-home fathers.</p>
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