MRAs shannigans
Published by Antigone June 3rd, 2008 in Punkass!I am on Glenn Sacks mailing list. Sometimes, I even go read his articles and it doesn’t make me despair for the human race(although, I’ve never being able to get through a comment thread without seeing red).
Then there are the vast majority of his articles. Like today, where “New Study: Men on Marriage Strike Because They Fear Divorce” popped up on my feed. “Oh my god,” I think. “Has it finally happened? Have feminists pushed men TOO FAR and now they never want to get married?”
Well, no actually. The real “study”* says that most men don’t want to marry the wrong person, not that they are striking on marriage. It also found that most guys would rather live unmarried than marry the wrong women. The survey itself didn’t say anything that any person with a functioning brain couldn’t tell you, and mirrored what most single were saying “I might marry if I find the right person, but I’m not particularily broken up about my single-life, thank you very much”. No marriage strike, no evil feminists: just further evidence that marriage isn’t for everyone.
But then, I discovered this “article”: “2 Men Go to Prison over Teen Girl’s Lie–and More on the Way“. It was about two, poor put out guys being sent to jail, just because they did this little, itty bitty, statature-rape thing. Which is so not fair, and the little bitch’s fault because she lied on a myspace page, and that’s totally fraud.
In the story, we have a 13-year-old girl named Aisha, who claimed to be 19 on her myspace, and 18 to the two men who slept with her (who are 22 and 24 according to the news article). Their defense, as we all know and love by now: “she didn’t look 13″.
Now, I agree with Mr. Sacks on three points: 1) WTF is with calling the rape of a 13-year old girl “sexual shenigans”? 2) Her parents need to be keeping a closer watch on her; healthy 13-year-olds are not trolling for sex with men 10-years their senior 3) these guys are really stupid.
Beyond that, my symptathy with him ends. “She looked 18/she told me she was 18″ has about as much credibility in my mind as “She didn’t say no” as a defense against rape. Sorry, but we have statature laws in place because 13-year-olds sometimes have the brains of tapioca pudding, or because generally we assume that they do not have enough authority to consent to having sex with an adult. As the 22 or 24 year old, YOU are the adult. You have to make decisions, and one of them is not sleeping with young teenage girls.
The comments there were particularily kind:
Appalling. A year in prison for a young man, then he’ll have to wear an ankle monitor for five years. Like a dog. When he finally meets an honest woman, he’ll have to explain the ankle monitor, and probably chase her away.
Was it reasonable for the young man to think the lying little jackass was 19? If so, he should not have been convicted. She should be convicted regardless for fraud and whatever else is on the books to nab her.
The father insisting that the law was designed to protect minors because of their poor judgment should be a punchline on David Letterman. The girl is still lying on the Internet and stays out late. Who is the parent here? And who is showing poor judgment?
I suggest that these fathers, these self-loathing males, who are so quick to judge other men, but who allow their daughters to tell material lies on the internet, ought to be jailed and held responsible for the things their precious, innocent little princesses do. The father and his lying little bastard should be wearing the ankle bracelets, not the young man.
Remember, the “lying little jackass” is a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL.
Is it time yet, for a ‘National Registry of Girls Who Entrap Men’ and get them sent them to jail?
Sure, right after there’s a “National registry for men who are MRAs”.
why do men have to “keep it zipped” but women don’t? easy answer. because men allow it. men don’t have to worry about controlling womens lives. hell, we don’t have a handle on our own anymore. but there is plenty of money to buy and give bling. enjoy golf and other sports. go fishing. bike, jog and run. don’t make babies. glenn has disagreed with me before on this and i know will again.
Oh, so now MEN are the sexual gatekeepers, and women get to have sex scot free. This one is new to me.
I got an awakening in 1983 when, as a trucker, I was handed a bulletin that a young girl was traveling between two popular truck stops for $50 each way. The bulletin said she passed herself off at 18 and the photo was clearly of an 18-year old. Unfortunately, her school and police records proved she was 12.
The police nabbed her every few weeks and let the guy go if he spelled out the whole deal even though they could get him for paying for sex and sex with an underage person. They knew she was the perpetrator, it was an obvious case of fraud, and they were more interested in getting her than him. Decisions like these are sometimes better made in the field than in a courtroom.
When engaging a whore, if she can’t or won’t prove her age, suggest cutting off a leg and counting the rings.
Again, the 12-year old child in question is clearly an agressor, because being an underage prostitute sounds like such a sweet deal. Oh, and note the violence they’re advocating “cutting off the leg”.
The other ones I like are the ones talking about suing this girl for fraud, because she lied on her Myspace page. If lying on the internet is the new standard for fraud, then I’m going to say anybody who’s every been on the internet is now in SO much trouble.
*sigh* It really is kind of said: MRAs are smart enough to notice there are problems (less guys graduating from schools, more guys in prision, the vast majority of mothers getting custody) and not smart enough to realize that the answer is less patriarchy, not more.
*Which was actually just a survey.
MRAs are interesting guys. I spent about a year and a half posting on one of their forums. It was a useful and informative experience.
I’m trying to come up with an expletive that appropriately captures my rage, here. “Oh holy fucking hell no” seems inadequate.
The only reason MRAs declare a marriage strike is so that they can tell themselves, when laying awake and alone and cruising sites where women have to pretend to like you because you’re paying them, that they chose this. In a sense, they did. Being an asshole is a choice. But when you hear some asshole say, “I’m done with women/American women!”, usually they mean, “When women get to know me, they’re done with me!”
Perhaps I didn’t click the right button last time. Anyway, Antigone, I wrote a response to this blog post on my blog at http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2267. –GS
Marriage isn’t for everyone, yes, but did you consider asking yourself why men might be so overwhelmingly scared of marrying the wrong person?
Lewis: Perhaps for the same reason women are.
Antigone, I am deeply inspired to blog about Glenn Sacks’ response to your blog post, but if you’re gonna do it yourself I don’t wanna reinvent the wheel. Let me know if I need to restrain myself here.
But when you hear some asshole say, “I’m done with women/American women!”, usually they mean, “When women get to know me, they’re done with me!”
Now after they get to know men a.k.a. assholes they could leave and be “done” with them but instead it’s usually just the begining for the assholes to pay and pay and pay some more and then they lose their house, cars, and not to mention the kids for gods sake.
Also do you honestly believe that the MRA’s wouuld like to see young girls getting their legs cut off? Come on now, anyone can detect sarcasim if they try hard enough. I think those guys should be in jail but I think what a lot of those guys are saying is that this young lady in particular seems to be becomeing a serial victim and to really take on a problem like statutory rape you have to take on all sides of it, cause and effect, not just the result. I mean yes the guys shouldn’t have slept with a 13 year old but the 13 year old shouldn’t be soliciting sex from older men also and this didn’t happen once it happened twice. Didn’t even the fragile young mind realize that the second guy could end up in prison after the first one went to prison for sleeping with her? Yet she still has a myspace?
Having to share their income with someone who isn’t even polite to them after the marriage breaks up?
I imagine that’s one of many reasons. You don’t actually believe that it’s only men who are left financially devastated after divorces, do you? Look at the over-representation of single mothers in poverty statistics. Combining your income and becoming dependent on anyone is usually a bad idea, but the fallout of a bad marriage is more serious for women.
Reality: A serial victim? You’re talking about a 13-year-old child. A child that you are blaming for being raped.
If you do have any children of your own, as I suspect from your rantlet that you do, I’m pretty relieved that your ex got custody. I don’t think they’re safe with you.
ahem. Have we been invaded by MRAs?
Say it ain’t so.
Sabotabby
Jun 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Reality: A serial victim? You’re talking about a 13-year-old child. A child that you are blaming for being raped.
If you do have any children of your own, as I suspect from your rantlet that you do, I’m pretty relieved that your ex got custody. I don’t think they’re safe with you.
Typical woman, pointing some words in my mouth are you? At what point did I blame her for being raped? Yes she did put herself in the exact same position as the first time she was raped by claiming to be 19 and going on to meet a second older man. You call me dangerous because I teach my children that thier actions come with concequences and they have to make good decisions. Yes I am far more dangerous to my children then this girls parents huh? “Oh go ahead sweety and every time you meet a new guy on myspace by claiming to be 19 we’ll throw him in prison.” People aren’t born responciable they’re taught to be. I don’t care how many names you call me or what presumptions you make about me. What this 13 year old child is doing isn’t right and should not be allowed to continue for her own safety if nothing else. I don’t let my 2 year old cross the street by her self and I damn sure wouldn’t let her claim to be 19 on myspace when she is only 13. In fact I think I would set her privacy settings toware only family and her school friends could talk to her on there. I was speaking way more of prevention rather then “blameing” I too worry for the safety of your children. Dumb ass.
First when you write, “If you do have any children of your own, as I suspect from your rantlet that you do, I’m pretty relieved that your ex got custody. I don’t think they’re safe with you.” I hope you can understand what an incredibly hurtful statement that is. And you really have no understanding of who Reality is or not. All you know is that “Reality” and you disagree over some issues of parenting.
If you are a mother or father, and you cherish your kids and strive to bring them up right, imagine how hurtful it is to have some person on the net attack you as you attacked “Reality.”
And sadly, this sort of nonsensical hurtful attack is so common at “feminist” blogs. You are a bad father, a creep, I am glad the ex got your kids. You are alone, it is your choice, you have to pay for sex, no one would ever want to have sex with you.
Excellent outreach. Excellent way to make bridges and build understanding.
Many many activist forums have crazed commenters. On the feminist side there is the ginmars. Yes, Sacks has his too. But why not take the challenge? Pick any month at random and read every post of Glenn’s and see what he has to say. Compare it with the same month selected from either Feministe, Feministing, Pandagon (the Amanda posts). Write about Glenn. Is he the misogynist that many feminists claim he is? Write about what you read at the other blog. Who more fairly represents the opposing viewpoint? Is there any truth in what he says when he critiques feminism? Are the issues he raises concerning domestic violence and child custody being raised at feminist blogs, and should they be discussed?
Remember, the “lying little jackass” is a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL.
Antigone, I am really curious why you felt the need to note she was a girl, and not just note she is only 13.
I am also curious as to your own views on what sort of responsibility we should “give” to 13 year olds, or other kids and teenagers for that matter.
At 13 in many cultures (in different times) these kids were considered adults. Could get married. Could go to war.
If a 13 year old is too young to understand why and the legalities of her advertising herself as 18 or 19, how do you feel about her:
a) obtaining an abortion without parental notification (or notification of a judge?)
b) obtaining birth control without parental notification (or notification of a judge?)
Myself, I think 13 year olds should be able to obtain birth control without parental notification, and though I am pro-choice, I don’t think they should be able to have an abortion without parental notification or notification of a judge.
I think at 13, especially after the first man went to jail for five years, this girl had plenty of information and the wisdom to know what she was doing was wrong. I find it condescending, patronizing, and sexist for you to blame her father more for her actions than the girl herself.
Best wishes,
jerry
Gad, this thread is AWESOME. I have so many potential blog posts formulating themselves in my head just based on all these comments that I had to sit down and pour myself a nice glass of wine.
Hey, Marc, do we have any kinda policy on this blog about what is and isn’t allowed in the comments section? I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be encouraging this, discouraging this or ignoring the shit out of it.
Oh, this is fun, yes it is.
Jerry, I don’t need to do any sort of “outreach” to people who believe that 13-year-olds deserve to be raped, or who think that it’s fun to joke about mutilating little girls. Those aren’t really people I want on my side.
“Reality” (you clearly have a disconnect with it): When you suggest that a child is “responciable” for ensuring that she isn’t raped by pedophiles, you’re putting the onus on her. However, were there not rapists out there, she could be as irresponsible as she wanted on MySpace without fear. Her parents certainly have responsibility to keep her as safe as they can (which, if you recall, is something that Antigone mentioned in her post), but really, the person to blame when a rape occurs is, believe it or not, the rapist. Rape, as any reasonable person knows, is not actually caused by a victim, irresponsible or otherwise. Rape is caused by rapists.
It’s the confusion of this most basic idea that makes me worried about your children. As well as Jerry’s, since he apparently believes that it’s okay for children to have sex but not access to safe and legal abortion.
As well as Jerry’s, since he apparently believes that it’s okay for children to have sex but not access to safe and legal abortion.
Oh? Where did I say that? It turns out I said nothing like that.
I did ask you why you felt a 13 year old could make decisions about an abortion, but not make decisions about portraying herself as 18 or 19 and seeking sex with adults. So far, you’ve decided you have no way to answer that question.
Sabotabby you are a second class idiot! You’re hatefull and will spare no expence to blame men for everything. Rape is rape and rape is rape throw all the men into a big pit so there’s no more rapists. Now that you’ve added Jerry into the “dangerous to the kids” category who by far had not only the most respectfull post but probably the most common sence one I’ll take that as a compliment. I bet all men are dangerous to kids aren’t we? I bet you can’t look at a father at the park without thinking he’s molesting his kids. I’ll bet you have absolutely no problem in pushing false domestic violence charges on men, do you? Jerry and I offered no excuse for the guys that did this but yet you’re trying your hardest to make it seem that way.
“However, were there not rapists out there, she could be as irresponsible as she wanted on MySpace without fear.”
What? I’m disconnected with reality? They do exist! They are always going to exist! All we can do is our best to keep our children from walking to them with open arms! We don’t keep rapist away by allowing our children to claim they are 19 year old divorced women! Is this getting through your thick skull there in your perfect manless world?
“As well as Jerry’s, since he apparently believes that it’s okay for children to have sex but not access to safe and legal abortion.”
What? It’s ok for children to have the right to safe and legal abortion but at the same time they’re too immature to realize they are walking into a dangerous situation for a second time. You’re something else let me tell you. At 13 sex can’t be handeled but they are perfectly capable to handel a decision of human life that could destroy them emotionally without even talking to there parents. Wouldn’t that involve a responciable decision that they are clearly not capable of makeing according to you. How can you even take yourself serious. You can’t just jump from side to side just because it helps your “men are evil” argument.
“Rape is caused by rapists.”
You radical! Next you’re gonna claim that drunk driving is caused by drunk drivers! when we all know that the real root cause of drunk driving is cars.
Ew, an MRA infestation. All the whining and blaming and self-righteous anger is giving me an allergic reaction.
Lisa Kansas
Jun 6th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
“Rape is caused by rapists.”
You radical! Next you’re gonna claim that drunk driving is caused by drunk drivers! when we all know that the real root cause of drunk driving is cars.
Yea and False rape allegations are caused by false rape victims, what’s your point?
Ask the Sab for the finer details. I’m merely a cheerleader.
Would that be the details for now or what she’ll change them too 15 minutes from now?
“Ew, an MRA infestation. All the whining and blaming and self-righteous anger is giving me an allergic reaction.”
Gotta love irony.
Wow, you leave for a couple of hours because you have a job and the trolls come in FORCE!
The comment I was going to leave was somewhat ponderous, so please see my next post.
You don’t actually believe that it’s only men who are left financially devastated after divorces, do you? Look at the over-representation of single mothers in poverty statistics.
Becoming a mother is a choice if a woman becomes pregnant she can legally, unilaterally surrender her parental responsibilities. Also if a woman decides to leave her husband; which is what happens 2/3’s of the time, that is also a choice. A financially lucrative one at that. So if a woman makes bad choices when it comes to finding a husband and having children, then she has no one else to blame but herself.
You could have just as easily pointed out that fathers being forced to pay unreasonable amounts of child support are over represented in poverty statistics. And unlike the mother they didn’t get to choose whether or not they wanted to take responsibility for another human being for 18 years after they slept with a woman who “accidentally” got pregnant.
but the fallout of a bad marriage is more serious for women.
Right because women are the ones who have to pay: child support, alimony, and give up roughly 50% of the wealth they’ve accumulated after they’ve been bullied down the isle.
Normal feminist reaction to being proven wrong and also the new feminist mascott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVGj44PeGaI&feature=related
“Also if a woman decides to leave her husband; which is what happens 2/3’s of the time, that is also a choice. A financially lucrative one at that.”
Hmm. Is it women leaving men 2/3 of the time, or do the men sometimes do the leaving? Or create circumstances where their wives, for physical or emotional self-preservation, must leave? I haven’t conducted an actual experiment here, but looking around at 99% of the divorced women I know…. it was their husband’s infidelity, or their husband’s inability to deal with the EQUAL responsibility and the CHOICE to have a family, that ultimately lead to divorce….
That is not to say that women are never the cause of divorce, of course women are capable of the same things that men are.
But trust me, many women think/dream about marriage from the time they’re little girls, and, believe it or not, do not enter into marriage hoping for a divorce. It’s devastating and life-altering. And why on earth do you think it is a crime to ask for child support, when two parents created a child, WILLINGLY (remember, we all know that sex=potential offspring), and now one parent is responsible for raising the child? What an immature attitude. If a man doesn’t want children, the only way to make 100% certain that doesn’t happen, (and I quote my dear old granny here), is to “keep your pecker in your pants.” Until you’re ready to deal with whatever comes of that.
“Right because women are the ones who have to pay: child support, alimony, and give up roughly 50% of the wealth they’ve accumulated after they’ve been bullied down the isle.”
What a sad, sad view of marriage. We have so much to offer each other…such an opportunity for the growth and expansion that comes from partnering with another human being… perhaps 2/3 of marriages are ending because we are enculturated into seeing our potential life mates as the enemy, rather that our greatest allies. Going in with a vision of honoring our partners, of uplifting them, rather than anticipating that they will be the cause of a lifetime of misery… that’s my hope for all of us. What are we doing otherwise?
“You could have just as easily pointed out that fathers being forced to pay unreasonable amounts of child support are over represented in poverty statistics.”
Except for the minor issue that you’d first have to make up those statistics, because they don’t actually exist. Real statistics actually show that men are, on average, better off after relationship breakdowns that women are.
“Rape is rape and rape is rape throw all the men into a big pit so there’s no more rapists.”
Whereas your alternative is to throw all children (and remember, this includes male children, who are also sexually abused) to the rapists, rather than making adults take responsibility for checking someone’s age before raping them. I guess that makes you a first class idiot, as well as a fucking psycho.
ACDC, there is some truth, perhaps much truth, in what you say, but there are non-gendered ways to examine all the evidence.
Glenn Sacks discusses these issues, and I bet that you would agree with him much of the time as well as disagree with him some or even much of the time. And I also bet you would find much of what he has to say enlightening for many reasons.
He doesn’t ban people or delete their comments (unless you use names likes feminazi) and while there certainly is a predominance of post divorce men there, there are also women and feminists there that agree as well as disagree. (No one has been eaten yet.)
As far as issues of gender in society go, it’s not a bad place to read, and complementary to many feminist blogs. Swing on by.
Can’t really imagine spending any time over at Mr. Sacks, tbh, not unless my impression of him is wrong–I have no quarrel at all with the argument that men sometimes suffer oppression, cause they do. However, the root cause of said oppression is overwhelmingly caused by, yep, the Dreaded Patriarchy–unless Mr. Sacks is in real touch with this reality, which I do not get the impression that he is, I doubt we’d have anything useful to say to each other.
Oh My!
The “DREADED Patriarchy”
Ever seen the movie Pride and Predjudice or Gone with the Wind or any of the other priveledged type movies? Do you ever notice the butler or the maid or the stablekeepers or the slaves? What rules do they make? What priveledge do they have? This crap about patriarchy makes me laugh. The truth is quite simple. In any herd there is a dominant MALE and FEMALE. THEY MAKE THE RULES! the rest either follow suit or either die or are expelled. You can bet your butkus that the rules they make are for themselves not for the rest of us. I know some will say that it is the dominant male that makes the rules and the dominant female meekly submits but that is nonsense. Ever heard of nagging? As I get older I realize a womans true strength is her appearance of weakness. I don’t ever recall making a rule in my family that wasn’t for the good of my family. Same thing for my wife. If I did my wife let me know about it and vice versa. In our house we share rules. This red herring needs to be filleted.
From ACDC
“But trust me, many women think/dream about marriage from the time they’re little girls, and, believe it or not, do not enter into marriage hoping for a divorce. It’s devastating and life-altering.”
Any less so for a man? The primary difference is our approach to marriage. We marry as men hoping for a friend, a lover and a partner. MANY women marry an idea or fairy tale. Yes it is devastating, but from what I know about womens attitudes about marriage the “It’s all about me” syndrome is what causes so many problems in the marriage. Too many Harlequin romance novels skews the reality of living with another human being. Women as a rule, “control” and when they don’t have “control” feel frustration, Frustration is a powerful motivator in deciding to divorce. Once divorced they are in “CONTROL” again.
They ought to take “Snow White”, and all the other princess fairy tales and ban them. Children and I do mean boys and girls need to hear stories of how each gender supports and loves each other. These fairy tales all talk about one gender rescuing the other and being responsible for creating a condition in which one is responsible for the others living happily ever after.
Oh my! Someone who doesn’t really know what Teh Dreaded Patriarchy actually means and consists of! And that someone is an MRA. Imagine.
Someone else once put it much better than I ever could; I am not sure I’m reproducing the exact phrasing she used, so I’m just going to shoot for the gist:
Teh Dreaded Patriarchy is a societal system that rewards individuals with power and subordinates and oppresses other individuals based upon a hierarchy of gender, race, income and age. The most obvious points in this hierarchy are the absolute top and bottom of the heap, which are respectively rich old white men and poor female children of color.
Always glad to educate someone so in need of it. Come back if you have any more pockets of ignorance in need of repair! The shop’s usually open around here.
John~
I don’t think I ever implied that divorce is easy for men. I hope I didn’t, as it was not my intention. I think divorce is equally as devastating for a man as it is for a woman. I’ve seen men I love very much, rocked by divorce… withered by divorce…. even when the divorce was the result of something that they did. Because none of us ever think we’ll get divorced… or at least wish/hope/pray we never will.
As far as women being controlling… I need to think about that more.
I want to ponder what is it in fairy tales and romance novels that attracts women…that they later feel they aren’t getting in their marriage. And why it isn’t jiving with what men need and give.
I’ll get back to you, because I cannot accept that women, as a rule, are controlling.
I agree that fairy tales could benefit from a little re-vamping action….. although I’m not for throwing classic stories out the window. I’ve heard all the tales…. pretended to be all of the princesses… and yet I think I’ve managed to escape the “woman as weak, in need of rescue” stereotype. I think childhood stories, really, have little impact on the development of our beliefs/character, but rather, that the society we live in (whose members created the stories) and its attitudes/customs affect us a great deal. Hmm….
Thanks for the food for thought….
Well Lisa
Since you must resort to condescension in a reply I can only assume that it speaks volumes about your character. In my experience a weak character resorts to insults and haughtiness to mask a weak ego. But I digress…….
You said. spelling included
“Teh Dreaded Patriarchy is a societal system that rewards individuals with power and subordinates and oppresses other individuals based upon a hierarchy of gender, race, income and age.”
I offer this;
Since women for the most part live longer than men they typically inherit the family wealth. Was the “queen of mean” Leona Hemsley an aberation? How about the Hilton sisters who stand to inherit control of a vast empire. What about Brittany Speers and other female actresses who are filthy rich? It is not just men who discriminate and abuse power. If you believe that, then you really have no place in an intelligent discussion.
“The most obvious points in this hierarchy are the absolute top and bottom of the heap, which are respectively rich old white men and poor female children of color.”
And I suppose the mens shelters and the homeless men living on the street are really rich men in disguise? Or that poor black and white boys are not worth consideration? The difference there is that women and children have all sorts of resources available to them whereas men have virtually none by comparison. Don’t argue with me on the above I work in the field. I KNOW whats out there for men. Don’t believe me? Take out your phone book.see how many phone numbers under shelters and distress you can find in the blue pages for women and children..then compare it to the number of agencies that help men. Try calling one of the shelters for women and ask for a number that helps men..see what happens.
Further your comment and its point about the absolute top and bottom of the heap while having some relevance is misleading for the reasons stated above.
There will always be tops and bottoms. That is us as human beings.
You my dear are a rascist.
Oh and by the way pardon my ignorance but what is an MRA?
Hey, if you say I was “condescending” I can’t argue–since my response to you was identical in tone to your comment to me, clearly you know precisely what that tone was meant to indicate. Now if you don’t LIKE it then probably you should take that up with, you know, yourself, as it was your tone in the first place.
All the rest of your comment could only be caused by one or a combination of one or more of the following: ignorance, stupidity and asininity. Were I in the least convinced that 50% (or more!) of the cause was merely ignorance, I’d be more than happy to spend some valuable time sharing with you the actual, relevant facts of the situation. If you want to try to convince me that’s the case, I’m always willing to listen!
As soon as I figure out what a “rascist” is I will get back to you on what an “MRA” is. Stay tuned.
I get it!!!!
I’m talking to an idiot…..Bye!!!
Lisa, I’d say “Don’t feed the trolls” but it seems to give you so much joy. Well, everyone needs a hobby, I guess.
They always say they’ll leave, but they always come back. It’s very weird.
I really think some women just don’t get it.
Google the marriage strike.It is exploding and will not stop for years.
KARMA
I’ve heard about the Marriage strike. The statistics don’t seem to bare out.
Oh, and I’m married, so it’s particularly silly to me.
Eh, Karma just can’t cope with the knowledge that some women just don’t care if there is one or not.
Lisa Kansas Jul 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
No it is irrelevant, what women think, actually women do not think, they emote
or feel, as evidenced in you posts.You got married because you are dumb, I chose not to because I am not dumb.
(yawn) Taking votes for Hypnotoad-ation…
“Antigone Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:53 am”
Wrong, marriage and birth rates are at lowest rates ever, and will continue to
stay that way. I think it is great as the earth can not support 6.7 billion people
anyway.
“John”
Get all your boys to listern to teh Tom Leykis podcats
at http://www.blowmeuptom.com
…going once…
In 2006, the last year for which details are available, there were just 236,980 weddings in England and Wales - the lowest number since 1895 and the lowest proportion of marriages compared to the population since counting began in the mid-Victorian era.
Srsly, why come to a feminist website and leave nasty misogynist comments? *cough KARMA cough*
Also, you can’t type for shit. And you’re annoying. We all get it, you don’t want to get married. Great. Nobody’s making you and frankly I can’t see why anyone would want to. But you’ve made your point clear. You’re a big macho manly man and we’re all just crazy women (add in stuff about hormones, male oppression, gold diggers, and the size of your wang, etc. and ad nauseum). Fine. Good for you.
Someone please put out the Troll Repellent now?
I would just ignore this thread, but I really want to be the 50th commenter :).
KARMA, I’ll take your word on the British rates. But, that still doesn’t evidence a marriage strike: you would need to bring back some statistics on people not-marrying BECAUSE OF A STRIKE. Otherwise, there are a variety reasons why the marriage rate may be low.
Oh, and by the by
Not only is this abundantly wrong, it’s actually extremely misogynistic. So, congratulation on being both stupid and a bigot (if that isn’t redundant). And, for your prize, you’re banned.