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	<title>Comments on: When knowing that God is watching isn&#8217;t enough, we&#8217;re there to help.</title>
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		<title>By: Luke Gilkerson</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-63044</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Gilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyso,

Good question.  Others have also feared "having so much extraneous information on each other."  First, the software does complete monitoring to avoid holes in the system.  Take, for instance, a similar program called X3watch which only monitors sites that are considered "objectionable" to put on the report.  Because of the way the Internet constantly changes, the program can't keep up.  Covenant Eyes offers total accountability to keep up with the ever-changing Internet world.

Second, comments and complaints from our tens of thousands of members, most of them churchgoers, do not reveal that this sort of information about Internet viewing creates problems.  There are many types of Internet addiction (beyond pornography) such as information addiction (people who spend 10 hours a day just reading the news), gambling, gaming, and cyber-relationships.  The program we have is useful to keep track of our overall Internet use.  So far no one has complained about this being a counterproductive thing.

Third, I will say that having an accountability partner can be a major change from our culture, which breeds individualism.  Some reject use of the program because they simply can't imagine letting anyone else into their "private" life.  Many of our users testify to having had this hang up but later saw the value of friendships that are more open, honest, and transparent.  Of course, the program isn't for everyone.

Thanks for the question.

Luke Gilkerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyso,</p>
<p>Good question.  Others have also feared &#8220;having so much extraneous information on each other.&#8221;  First, the software does complete monitoring to avoid holes in the system.  Take, for instance, a similar program called X3watch which only monitors sites that are considered &#8220;objectionable&#8221; to put on the report.  Because of the way the Internet constantly changes, the program can&#8217;t keep up.  Covenant Eyes offers total accountability to keep up with the ever-changing Internet world.</p>
<p>Second, comments and complaints from our tens of thousands of members, most of them churchgoers, do not reveal that this sort of information about Internet viewing creates problems.  There are many types of Internet addiction (beyond pornography) such as information addiction (people who spend 10 hours a day just reading the news), gambling, gaming, and cyber-relationships.  The program we have is useful to keep track of our overall Internet use.  So far no one has complained about this being a counterproductive thing.</p>
<p>Third, I will say that having an accountability partner can be a major change from our culture, which breeds individualism.  Some reject use of the program because they simply can&#8217;t imagine letting anyone else into their &#8220;private&#8221; life.  Many of our users testify to having had this hang up but later saw the value of friendships that are more open, honest, and transparent.  Of course, the program isn&#8217;t for everyone.</p>
<p>Thanks for the question.</p>
<p>Luke Gilkerson</p>
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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62958</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, why does the site turn over a top-20 list and every single website you've visited, even the ones that are clearly not pornography?  In the case of the testimonial church, where every single church leader is on it and they're all accountable to each other, it seems like having so much extraneous information on each other is just begging for problems if church politics go awry.  Is there an option for people who want to prove they're not spending any time at asiansluts.com without revealing that they're diehard NPR listeners or that they were looking at infertility resource websites or any number of other personal and not-so-personal things that may not be the accountability partner's business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, why does the site turn over a top-20 list and every single website you&#8217;ve visited, even the ones that are clearly not pornography?  In the case of the testimonial church, where every single church leader is on it and they&#8217;re all accountable to each other, it seems like having so much extraneous information on each other is just begging for problems if church politics go awry.  Is there an option for people who want to prove they&#8217;re not spending any time at asiansluts.com without revealing that they&#8217;re diehard NPR listeners or that they were looking at infertility resource websites or any number of other personal and not-so-personal things that may not be the accountability partner&#8217;s business?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Gilkerson</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62957</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Gilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should distinguish between a world of blatant censorship and control in The Handmaid's Tale and a choice made by adults to monitor their own Internet use.  Governmental censorship is one issue.  Individual choice is another entirely.

I would agree that monitoring software is powerless to really change people's impulses.  This is why the whole premise behind Covenant Eyes software is building authentic redemptive relationships between Accountability Partners, not using software as a band-aid for the immature to stay immature.  In the end, all the software does it monitor, not block.  Those who choose to use realize their need to let others into their secret world of Internet use that has presented a host of temptations and possible addictions.  They surround themselves by those who can help them.  The software is useless (in the area of sexual struggle) without the quality friendships.

As for the "Bronze age deity" comment, I would submit to you that it is really the other way around.  There are countless numbers of people who are pinned under fear and shame about how they use the Internet, many who may also fear a "Mighty Smiter" because their temptations are not only shameful to them, but also secretive.  The choice to sign up for Covenant Eyes Accountability Software is a first step in a direction towards reform.  Covenant Eyes is a piece of software, not a god.  It is entirely up to the accountability partnerships how "slight missteps" are handled.

Luke Gilkerson
Internet Community Manager
Covenant Eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should distinguish between a world of blatant censorship and control in The Handmaid&#8217;s Tale and a choice made by adults to monitor their own Internet use.  Governmental censorship is one issue.  Individual choice is another entirely.</p>
<p>I would agree that monitoring software is powerless to really change people&#8217;s impulses.  This is why the whole premise behind Covenant Eyes software is building authentic redemptive relationships between Accountability Partners, not using software as a band-aid for the immature to stay immature.  In the end, all the software does it monitor, not block.  Those who choose to use realize their need to let others into their secret world of Internet use that has presented a host of temptations and possible addictions.  They surround themselves by those who can help them.  The software is useless (in the area of sexual struggle) without the quality friendships.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Bronze age deity&#8221; comment, I would submit to you that it is really the other way around.  There are countless numbers of people who are pinned under fear and shame about how they use the Internet, many who may also fear a &#8220;Mighty Smiter&#8221; because their temptations are not only shameful to them, but also secretive.  The choice to sign up for Covenant Eyes Accountability Software is a first step in a direction towards reform.  Covenant Eyes is a piece of software, not a god.  It is entirely up to the accountability partnerships how &#8220;slight missteps&#8221; are handled.</p>
<p>Luke Gilkerson<br />
Internet Community Manager<br />
Covenant Eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical. Rather than try to control individual impulses (and in this case, said impulses aren't really something that need to be super-controlled), these people just turn to technology and other people to do it for them. They really are stuck somewhere around the age of 7, aren't they? This software is like the ultimate epitome of the whole idea of "Bronze-Age deity is watching every move, and will smite you for the slightest misstep" that is patriarchal religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical. Rather than try to control individual impulses (and in this case, said impulses aren&#8217;t really something that need to be super-controlled), these people just turn to technology and other people to do it for them. They really are stuck somewhere around the age of 7, aren&#8217;t they? This software is like the ultimate epitome of the whole idea of &#8220;Bronze-Age deity is watching every move, and will smite you for the slightest misstep&#8221; that is patriarchal religion.</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62659</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Covenant Eyes." Sounds like something out of &lt;i&gt;The Handmaid's Tale&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Covenant Eyes.&#8221; Sounds like something out of <i>The Handmaid&#8217;s Tale</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62649</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke's comment marks the first time in all the years of this blog (I think it might be 2 now) that I've ever had to use "Despam marked comments" in the spam folder.  Since a giant list of porn links made it into moderation, I am currently less than impressed with our filter at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke&#8217;s comment marks the first time in all the years of this blog (I think it might be 2 now) that I&#8217;ve ever had to use &#8220;Despam marked comments&#8221; in the spam folder.  Since a giant list of porn links made it into moderation, I am currently less than impressed with our filter at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I didn't know that the rest of James Dobson's attitude to childraising was completely disturbing, I might think that quote was reassuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I didn&#8217;t know that the rest of James Dobson&#8217;s attitude to childraising was completely disturbing, I might think that quote was reassuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Esme</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62627</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my Thanks Masturbation! tshirt. Now I'll have to wear it tomorrow as a friendly reminder that I don't live in the self-created hell of these people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my Thanks Masturbation! tshirt. Now I&#8217;ll have to wear it tomorrow as a friendly reminder that I don&#8217;t live in the self-created hell of these people</p>
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		<title>By: june</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62625</link>
		<dc:creator>june</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article leaves me with a strong desire to masturbate out of spite. Hey waddya know, my office door has a lock on it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article leaves me with a strong desire to masturbate out of spite. Hey waddya know, my office door has a lock on it!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Gilkerson</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2008/02/27/when-knowing-that-god-is-watching-isnt-enough-were-there-to-help/#comment-62611</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Gilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from Covenant Eyes!

Couldn't help but find your blog interesting.  The title grabbed me right away.

I've talked to many people who think the idea of accountability reports and partners sound like a subplot from 1984.  Some see Covenant Eyes accountability software as amateurish, heavy-handed, and intrusive.  For those who see little to no problem with viewing pornography or who have never been entrenched in life-altering sexual addictions, I could see why someone would think this.

But the more I talk to our Members and Accountability Partners, the more I see the value of our product.  Maturity in one's faith should bring about a conviction that because God is watching and cares about our actions and our dispositions, we live differently.  Many people begin using our program because the knowledge that God sees has not yet affected their conscience.  Many continue using the program not as their main deterrent to watching porn, but as a safety net, and as one of the aspects of a good, healthy accountability relationship with a trusted person.

I've written a little about this on my blog: http://blogs.covenanteyes.com/2008/01/24/why-accountability-part-1/

Thanks for you comments,
Luke Gilkerson
Internet Community Manager
Covenant Eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from Covenant Eyes!</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t help but find your blog interesting.  The title grabbed me right away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked to many people who think the idea of accountability reports and partners sound like a subplot from 1984.  Some see Covenant Eyes accountability software as amateurish, heavy-handed, and intrusive.  For those who see little to no problem with viewing pornography or who have never been entrenched in life-altering sexual addictions, I could see why someone would think this.</p>
<p>But the more I talk to our Members and Accountability Partners, the more I see the value of our product.  Maturity in one&#8217;s faith should bring about a conviction that because God is watching and cares about our actions and our dispositions, we live differently.  Many people begin using our program because the knowledge that God sees has not yet affected their conscience.  Many continue using the program not as their main deterrent to watching porn, but as a safety net, and as one of the aspects of a good, healthy accountability relationship with a trusted person.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a little about this on my blog: <a href="http://blogs.covenanteyes.com/2008/01/24/why-accountability-part-1/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.covenanteyes.com/2008/01/24/why-accountability-part-1/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for you comments,<br />
Luke Gilkerson<br />
Internet Community Manager<br />
Covenant Eyes</p>
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