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		<title>By: Free</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-48235</link>
		<dc:creator>Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jix</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40450</link>
		<dc:creator>Jix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriarchy is built on a culture of dominance and submission, which porn (including gay porn) eroticizes. Gay porn is the exploitation of the sex class the same way that homophobic violence is patriarchal misogyny. It's misogyny by proxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriarchy is built on a culture of dominance and submission, which porn (including gay porn) eroticizes. Gay porn is the exploitation of the sex class the same way that homophobic violence is patriarchal misogyny. It&#8217;s misogyny by proxy.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40417</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;You can disagree all you want. It doesn’t make you right.&lt;/I&gt;

Because Twisty is always right, and if you disagree with her you're a fucked-up tool. We know the drill, thanks.

How gay porn has anything to do with the sexual exploitation of women is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You can disagree all you want. It doesn’t make you right.</i></p>
<p>Because Twisty is always right, and if you disagree with her you&#8217;re a fucked-up tool. We know the drill, thanks.</p>
<p>How gay porn has anything to do with the sexual exploitation of women is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40307</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 12:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is being a sex object to an individual is different than being a member of the sex class?  I think there's a difference there.  My lust for individual guys (or their failure to conform to my standard of sexxy) does not affect how they are dealt with by everyone else, whereas every woman everywhere can tell you about that time they were harassed/dismissed/ignored or whatever for not behaving sexbot enough (or, in polite company, 'feminine' enough).

And that's where I have to express skepticism on Tess's claim that she can use teh pr0n to selectively promote her political beliefs, or that it's even helpful.  There are way huge-er problems and more immediate problems with porn than the body-image thing.  My biggest problem with it is that I can't look at a mainstream porn or go to an ordinary strip club without thinking about the girls who may be there not because they want to or because it's better money than factory work or because they're paying their way through school, but the ones that are there because they've been trafficked, or are stuck there to support a drug problem, or who may be sexually assaulted or forced into prostitution or any one of the thousands of horrible things that are just a hop skip and a jump away from that pole.  Tess is going on and on about hairy natural women and woman dominated scenes and fucking great, whatever, I'm not going to watch that either but OK.  But I heard nary a peep about say, raising awareness about human trafficking or getting sex workers the legal protection they need that a lot of them just don't have.  Maybe she just forgot to mention it, I don't know.

But I have to take the Twisty view on someone who goes on about how doing this thing is "liberating" or "empowering," two words that raise giant red flags in my mind.  Getting all defensive because you &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; being an object and being all huffy because someone else reminds you that hey, there's a whole few thousand years of oppression here that make your liberating kick kind of a dicey one helps no one.  If Tess there is not using her empowerment to raise awareness for those women who lack that luxury and instead is patting herself on the back for filming some sex between women who don't shave, then she's more part of the problem than the solution.  Taking umbarage to a post that points out, correctly in my opinion, that women are the sex class and that this is the basic problem with any porn and whining that your tiny little slice of obscure porn is totally not that way and no discussion of the big picture can be valid without giving a big old heap of acknowledgement to you is analagous to those guys that show up on feminist blogs going "but what about the tiny fraction of men who are falsely imprisoned for rape?"  

If there were no patriarchy, or at least a weaker patriarchy, then sex work would be a choice like any other and could be as empowerful as you wanted.  But there is a patriarchy, and it can't really be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is being a sex object to an individual is different than being a member of the sex class?  I think there&#8217;s a difference there.  My lust for individual guys (or their failure to conform to my standard of sexxy) does not affect how they are dealt with by everyone else, whereas every woman everywhere can tell you about that time they were harassed/dismissed/ignored or whatever for not behaving sexbot enough (or, in polite company, &#8216;feminine&#8217; enough).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s where I have to express skepticism on Tess&#8217;s claim that she can use teh pr0n to selectively promote her political beliefs, or that it&#8217;s even helpful.  There are way huge-er problems and more immediate problems with porn than the body-image thing.  My biggest problem with it is that I can&#8217;t look at a mainstream porn or go to an ordinary strip club without thinking about the girls who may be there not because they want to or because it&#8217;s better money than factory work or because they&#8217;re paying their way through school, but the ones that are there because they&#8217;ve been trafficked, or are stuck there to support a drug problem, or who may be sexually assaulted or forced into prostitution or any one of the thousands of horrible things that are just a hop skip and a jump away from that pole.  Tess is going on and on about hairy natural women and woman dominated scenes and fucking great, whatever, I&#8217;m not going to watch that either but OK.  But I heard nary a peep about say, raising awareness about human trafficking or getting sex workers the legal protection they need that a lot of them just don&#8217;t have.  Maybe she just forgot to mention it, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>But I have to take the Twisty view on someone who goes on about how doing this thing is &#8220;liberating&#8221; or &#8220;empowering,&#8221; two words that raise giant red flags in my mind.  Getting all defensive because you <i>like</i> being an object and being all huffy because someone else reminds you that hey, there&#8217;s a whole few thousand years of oppression here that make your liberating kick kind of a dicey one helps no one.  If Tess there is not using her empowerment to raise awareness for those women who lack that luxury and instead is patting herself on the back for filming some sex between women who don&#8217;t shave, then she&#8217;s more part of the problem than the solution.  Taking umbarage to a post that points out, correctly in my opinion, that women are the sex class and that this is the basic problem with any porn and whining that your tiny little slice of obscure porn is totally not that way and no discussion of the big picture can be valid without giving a big old heap of acknowledgement to you is analagous to those guys that show up on feminist blogs going &#8220;but what about the tiny fraction of men who are falsely imprisoned for rape?&#8221;  </p>
<p>If there were no patriarchy, or at least a weaker patriarchy, then sex work would be a choice like any other and could be as empowerful as you wanted.  But there is a patriarchy, and it can&#8217;t really be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Indy</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40282</link>
		<dc:creator>Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 06:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, as long as you've got a corporeal body, and especially if you're sexually active, you are a sex object to someone. Regardless of gender.

and if you think that this is a completely bad or evil thing, there is something very wrong with you. We are all, to some extent, sex objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, as long as you&#8217;ve got a corporeal body, and especially if you&#8217;re sexually active, you are a sex object to someone. Regardless of gender.</p>
<p>and if you think that this is a completely bad or evil thing, there is something very wrong with you. We are all, to some extent, sex objects.</p>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on the sex industry &#171; I am the Lizard Queen!</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40265</link>
		<dc:creator>My thoughts on the sex industry &#171; I am the Lizard Queen!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If anyone&#8217;s interested, here&#8217;s more on the debate: on the more pro- side, here&#8217;s Jessica&#8217;s post about the Feminist Porn Awards turns into a debate in the comments thread; on the other hand, in this post Twisty (of I Blame the Patriarchy) explains it all to you (three rapid fire-thoughts: a) IBtP is not for beginners!; b) I really enjoy reading IBtP about 90% of the time; and c) I couldn&#8217;t read the comments thread because toward the beginning someone mentioned that people shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; visual stimulation anyway, at least not ideally&#8211;and, yeah, don&#8217;t even get me started on how I feel about that one). Also, if anyone&#8217;s curious, here&#8217;s the post that set me off&#8211;and it wasn&#8217;t the post so much as the fact that someone voiced disagreement, ending with the line &#8220;Sorry Kyso, but as a feminist sex worker who works constantly - and selectively - to preserve and promote my political beliefs, I cannot help but feel offended by Twisty’s blatant overgeneralization and ignorance of the porn industry&#8221;&#8211;and rather than engage her in a dialogue, the subsequent comments just shut her down, rather harshly in my opinion. (Also, like Twisty, I generally enjoy reading Kyso&#8217;s writing.)  Example: What the Patriarchy wants most is for women to enact their assigned role of sex hole(s). It doesn’t care much how you do it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If anyone&#8217;s interested, here&#8217;s more on the debate: on the more pro- side, here&#8217;s Jessica&#8217;s post about the Feminist Porn Awards turns into a debate in the comments thread; on the other hand, in this post Twisty (of I Blame the Patriarchy) explains it all to you (three rapid fire-thoughts: a) IBtP is not for beginners!; b) I really enjoy reading IBtP about 90% of the time; and c) I couldn&#8217;t read the comments thread because toward the beginning someone mentioned that people shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; visual stimulation anyway, at least not ideally&#8211;and, yeah, don&#8217;t even get me started on how I feel about that one). Also, if anyone&#8217;s curious, here&#8217;s the post that set me off&#8211;and it wasn&#8217;t the post so much as the fact that someone voiced disagreement, ending with the line &#8220;Sorry Kyso, but as a feminist sex worker who works constantly - and selectively - to preserve and promote my political beliefs, I cannot help but feel offended by Twisty’s blatant overgeneralization and ignorance of the porn industry&#8221;&#8211;and rather than engage her in a dialogue, the subsequent comments just shut her down, rather harshly in my opinion. (Also, like Twisty, I generally enjoy reading Kyso&#8217;s writing.)  Example: What the Patriarchy wants most is for women to enact their assigned role of sex hole(s). It doesn’t care much how you do it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jix</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40031</link>
		<dc:creator>Jix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tess:
If you had read the whole essay and not just the bit re-posted here, you'd know that Twisty is familiar with Candida Royalle's work to some unknown extent.

My working theory on porn is this:
1) Capitalism depends on exploitation.* 
2) The porn industry is based in capitalism.
3) The porn industry is sexually exploitative. 

Unoppressing porn cannot exist in capitalism, and women (i.e. the sex class) will be oppressed by it as long as the patriarchy exists. 

*That pesky profit motive inspires not the goodwill in our fellow humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tess:<br />
If you had read the whole essay and not just the bit re-posted here, you&#8217;d know that Twisty is familiar with Candida Royalle&#8217;s work to some unknown extent.</p>
<p>My working theory on porn is this:<br />
1) Capitalism depends on exploitation.*<br />
2) The porn industry is based in capitalism.<br />
3) The porn industry is sexually exploitative. </p>
<p>Unoppressing porn cannot exist in capitalism, and women (i.e. the sex class) will be oppressed by it as long as the patriarchy exists. </p>
<p>*That pesky profit motive inspires not the goodwill in our fellow humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Gender Blank</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40026</link>
		<dc:creator>Gender Blank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tess, you've missed the point of Twisty's post.  Entirely.  You can disagree all you want.  It doesn't make you right.

What the Patriarchy wants most is for women to enact their assigned role of sex hole(s).  It doesn't care much how you do it.

If you want to participate in an industry that reinforces women's status as objects worth nothing more than their sexual usefulness, be my guest.  Just don't pretend it's a feminist endeavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tess, you&#8217;ve missed the point of Twisty&#8217;s post.  Entirely.  You can disagree all you want.  It doesn&#8217;t make you right.</p>
<p>What the Patriarchy wants most is for women to enact their assigned role of sex hole(s).  It doesn&#8217;t care much how you do it.</p>
<p>If you want to participate in an industry that reinforces women&#8217;s status as objects worth nothing more than their sexual usefulness, be my guest.  Just don&#8217;t pretend it&#8217;s a feminist endeavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyso Kisaen</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-40018</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyso Kisaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual objects au naturale are still sexual objects.</description>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2007/04/28/reading-assigment/#comment-39952</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I feel that it's always dumb to try to simplify a $57 billion industry into several paragraphs, I couldn't disagree more with Twisty's overgeneralization of the porn industry.  The fact is, she's talking about an extremely diverse industry that she obviously knows very little about.

A small but growing percentage of porn is very, very female-empowering.  I'm not talking about most alt or just about all mainstream porn, which of course oppresses women (and judging by this article that's all Twisty knows of the industry) - I'm talking about porn made for women that includes rounder, more natural looking women, a noticible lack of breast implants, no unecessary gynecological shots, many or mostly women-dominated scenes, and no "money shot" at the ends of the scenes (check out Candida Royalle's work for starters if you don't believe me); I'm talking about political pro-femme porn that supports fatter, hairier, and "normal" non-mainstream-type women who direct their own photo shoots (vegporn.com is a good example); I'm talking about progressive gender-bender BDSM porn like the meninpain.com stuff.  This type of porn is liberating for women both in the industry and outside watching it.

In summary, if you think mainstream porn oppresses women, you're right.  If you think porn in general oppresses women, you don't know what you're talking about.  It's important that women recognize this so we can support the projects that are empowering to women.

Sorry Kyso, but as a feminist sex worker who works constantly - and selectively - to preserve and promote my political beliefs, I cannot help but feel offended by Twisty's blatant overgeneralization and ignorance of the porn industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I feel that it&#8217;s always dumb to try to simplify a $57 billion industry into several paragraphs, I couldn&#8217;t disagree more with Twisty&#8217;s overgeneralization of the porn industry.  The fact is, she&#8217;s talking about an extremely diverse industry that she obviously knows very little about.</p>
<p>A small but growing percentage of porn is very, very female-empowering.  I&#8217;m not talking about most alt or just about all mainstream porn, which of course oppresses women (and judging by this article that&#8217;s all Twisty knows of the industry) - I&#8217;m talking about porn made for women that includes rounder, more natural looking women, a noticible lack of breast implants, no unecessary gynecological shots, many or mostly women-dominated scenes, and no &#8220;money shot&#8221; at the ends of the scenes (check out Candida Royalle&#8217;s work for starters if you don&#8217;t believe me); I&#8217;m talking about political pro-femme porn that supports fatter, hairier, and &#8220;normal&#8221; non-mainstream-type women who direct their own photo shoots (vegporn.com is a good example); I&#8217;m talking about progressive gender-bender BDSM porn like the meninpain.com stuff.  This type of porn is liberating for women both in the industry and outside watching it.</p>
<p>In summary, if you think mainstream porn oppresses women, you&#8217;re right.  If you think porn in general oppresses women, you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.  It&#8217;s important that women recognize this so we can support the projects that are empowering to women.</p>
<p>Sorry Kyso, but as a feminist sex worker who works constantly - and selectively - to preserve and promote my political beliefs, I cannot help but feel offended by Twisty&#8217;s blatant overgeneralization and ignorance of the porn industry.</p>
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