So close, yet so far away…
Published by Kyso Kisaen April 23rd, 2007 in Punkass!, Godbaggery, What Patriarchy?, Shame on you for being a woman, WankersRemember when we all pitched in for that dead horse, labeled it “Rebeloution Modesty Survey” and then took turns beating it? Oh, that was fun.
But we haven’t heard from Sultry McHawt lately.
Ms. Sultry McHawt puts the sex-ay in modesty!
Let’s check in…hey look! A respected author and real role model has put in his two cents about the modesty survey, and he’s not afraid to take those horny boys to task about their own responsibility.
Girls are in a tough spot when it comes to modesty. They are called by God to dress modestly, but because they aren’t born with the same “visual nature” in their sexuality as guys are, it is difficult for women to spot where modesty begins and ends.
True enough, girls are in a tough spot when it comes to modesty. Their own boobies don’t really do anything for them, so sometimes they forget to tape them down firmly enough. But what is firmly enough, really? I’m not exactly sure how you could find out the answer to that question, but I bet it involves one lucky-fuck youth group and a lot of ace bandages.
As guys, we complicate it further by carelessly sinking to our own lowest levels sexually. Our visual nature first forces God to call women to modesty, depriving them of their freedom to define their own style of dress. While that is frustrating in its own way, their real frustration comes when we only pay attention to the girls in our youth groups that dress hot, while ignoring the ones who dress modestly and chase after God.
It’s your privilege and your right as men to create a ridiculous double standard that allows you to have something to practice besides that which you preach. Don’t let this schmuck take that from you!
Who can blame the girl who throws up her hands and snaps, I’m through worrying about this modesty thing! Their eyes are their problem, not mine! I certainly can’t blame them as long as we are being so lazy about it ourselves. We must take care of our own responsibilities first by disciplining our eyes and our minds to line up with scripture if we expect our women to line up in modesty. We are men. We must lead in all this.
Oh. My. God. He’s going to say it. He’s actually going to tell these boys (25% of whom agree with the statement “Sweatshirts (??!!!?) with messages across the front draw too much attention to the bust.) that they need to get a freaking grip. Oh, finally.
And that is what I love about the Modesty Survey. It allows guys to take some responsibility and leadership. We can honestly help train our sisters in Christ about where those boundaries lie and, hopefully, as we think through the issue ourselves, we can begin to stand up as men by joining the Rebelution against low expectations.
Emphasis mine, just to make sure you caught that, because I had to read it a few times before I believed it. But it’s true-an important step in controling your own lust and taking responsibility for your thoughts is training the women to stop being such stumbling blocks, what with their University sweatshirts and their walking and swimming just like they were people. And you can do this by holding a massive survey loaded with statements that even the Amish would find a bit prude and proving once and for all that no matter what she’s doing some guy somewhere finds it too hot to handle.
Rebeloutionettes: Seriously, if you need your red flags to be any redder, I don’t know what we can do. Oh, wait, yes I do. The quotes from the question “Immodest clothing is not a problem (for you) when a girl in your own family wears it.” pretty much tell you everything you need to know.
A young lady, regardless of your relation to her, can be a stumbling block/temptation to a young man. Sort of a disgusting thought, but men, if not walking in the Spirit everday, can be wolves.
My younger sister, 14, is just recently becoming more of a young lady. It was not too long ago that I (for the first time) had to bring up her dress to her. It’s not a question of incest. It’s a question of instinct. I could probably think for a moment and realize that it’s my sister, but why be put in that position in the beginning?
A girl is a girl. My sisters look like girls, and therefore they are potentially a temptation. Just because I have a relationship with them does not mean that their womanliness physically can not stir up wrong thoughts.
Even my Mom can attract my attention if she isn’t careful.
And if we need to be reminded that there will be no end to the modesty nitpicking, let’s listen to the 18-year-old responding to the question “Lifting a long skirt any higher than the knee in order to step over something is a stumbling block.”
For some reason, things that are covered and then revealed can often be a bigger mental trigger than something that was less covered to begin with. So yes, I’d say be careful not to lift above the knee.
Rebeloutionettes, I want you to listen to me just once. THERE IS NOTHING, NOT ONE SINGLE THING, THAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP A GUY WHO OPENLY ADMITS THAT EVEN HIS MOM CAN DO IT FOR HIM. Nothing you can wear, nothing you can say, no prayer that you can make, will do a damn thing for him until he decides to do something for himself. The incest taboo is one of the strongest taboos we ever learn, and we share it with virtually every society that ever existed anywhere at any time. If you’re hanging around a bunch of guys who are comfortable enough with their privilege to announce, ‘hey, when I look at my sister, I think, I’d tap that’ then the problem is not you and your Devil’s chunk heel shoes, it’s them, it’s THEM, OH MY GOD IS IT THEM. Don’t let anyone lump people like that into a sample population and then tell you that it is your responsibility to cater to that shit. It is not.
This is an important lesson, probably one of the most important, that feminists would like to give you, and that the patriarchy would like to bury. Sometimes, it’s just not your problem, and learning to recognize and enforce that boundary will save you a lot of heartache and give you the confidence you need to defend yourself when assholes like Fred Stoeker come around.
Never have I been more tempted to convert into a scandalously dressed, postfeminist hoor.
SAVE ME JEEBUS!
You know, if the Islamo-Communo-Jihadi-Fascists hadn’t already spent the last few hundred years developing special clothing and laws to hide females from the world, there would be fundnut christianists suggesting the exact same thing right now.
They just don’t want to be seen as copying the ideas of another religion. NIH and all that…
Kyso, I detect a note of doubt in your post that young men feel anything but burdened by their sacred duty to boss young women around.
You know, you’re right. I guess those guys at Alpha Male or whatever the heck that site was were right. I am cynical. Woe!
But since I’m already there:
Anya, email me! We need to to talk about why you’re apologizing for being frustrated when “God” in the form of community-wide standards for the socialization of young men “sends” you nothing but immature wankers at the same time the adults around you are preaching about the future respectful submission you’ll be offering said wankers, who may or may not grow the hell up.
“I have thought of a wondrous plan
To paint one’s whiskers green
And then to use so large a fan
That they could not be seen”.
(With sincere apologies to the memory of Lewis Carrol for the mangling of that quote)
It’s all GOD’S fault. He made men visually stimulated, and made women sex-ay.
Yeah, that guy is over the top. If he’s lusting after his sister and mom, ain’t a damn thing any girl can do.
Whatever happened to plucking your own eyes out if they offend you and whatnot? I think that’s the only thing that would help in this guy’s case.
If you squint reallll hard, you can actually see the 16 century book of common prayer hidden in that website. Increase Mather would be proud.
It strikes me that there’s something awfully don’t-think-about-an-elephantish about this whole discussion. I mean, if nubile young womanflesh is such a stumbling block, might it not help to spend a little less time pondering and wondering and calculating, to the thousandth part of an inch, just precisely how much of it you can stand to look at? It’s like that scene you get in every desert island movie where the characters sit around talking about all the steaks and pizzas and ice cream cones they’re not eating. Who benefits from that? Why not change the subject?
Well, according to the bible, if a body part causes you to sin, you should cut it off. I’m thinking the “Rebelutionaries” should take this concept to heart and spare the gene pool their incestuous progeny. Then maybe these women can go and be with mature men who respect them as, you know, people rather than pieces of flesh to be controlled and abhorred.
“Well, according to the bible, if a body part causes you to sin, you should cut it off.”
But do you cut it off of yourself, or the temptress who is taunting you?…
Awkward conversation #1: “Mom…. would you mind putting a sweater on? Through no one’s fault but your own, your Bebe shirt is kind of turning me on. I’m flattered, but I don’t like you in that way, mom.”
I don’t know which makes me want to hurl more…the fact that if it’s a guy’s instinct, that’s ‘ok’,
but a woman’s instinct (and, as Olivia notes, hormones as well) must always be thwarted…AND it’s a woman’s job to ensure that nothing kicks those manly instincts into gear…
or
the fact that they with a straight face, refer to anything that might give ‘em a mental image of anything to do with sex, as a ’stumbling block’.
There’s absolutely nothing anyone could say to these people, because the more reasonable you are, the more appalling they become. They desperately want their pathological fear of women and their self-loathing validated, they’ve found a forum with people like them, and by god, you’re not going to get in their way. The fact that they can get any girls to listen to them instead of laugh at them is a mind-boggling tragedy.
To any potentially wayward Christian girl who sees this: not all men are like this. The wankers you hang out with don’t want you to know you can do better than them, but the fact is most men do not want to unload their massive psychosexual issues onto you, and will actually be able to sustain an erection for more than three seconds when the time comes to do so.
Never have I been more tempted to convert into a scandalously dressed, postfeminist hoor.
Obviously, the training works. Just remember to post jpgs.
if these (christian or whyever) ‘oversexed and underfucked’ freds et al wouldn’t ’save it up’ so desperately all the time but release their sexual tension regularly and without remorse, probly would be leering a lot less at their sisters and moms, not to mention the rest of the female population … and that just for starters …
I think it’s safe to infer that a lot of these guys will grow up to be ‘tempted’ by their own daughters.
I so want to teach the girls some serious self-defense and martial arts.
Hmm. Monasteries would solve this problem for ALL of us. Just put them in a hormonal sweatbox of stupidity until they explode.
I’m tempted to send messages about muslim women wearing La Perla and air under the burquas to the rebelution… wonder how much of a stumbling block the next matron in black would be to them. Or the realization that, terrifyingly enough, women are NAKED underneath their clothing! no matter how much of it they wear!
The horror.
I could probably think for a moment and realize that it’s my sister
He actually said that he only could “probably” think this?
Holy shit.
Dude, Fred Stoker is a sex-addict who has the hots for Forrest Gump’s mom.
People actually have polls for this kind of thing?
But, yeah. Any guy who can get it up for his mom is beyond non-professional help.
This is 100% scary. I intellectually understand that people like this exist, but it is truly hard to believe. Another reader said it before, and I’ll say it again. Any kids and teen girls out there, Christian or ANYTHING… Not all men are like this, and society is not like this everywhere.
This guy’s extreme views are in response to fear and probably some sort of trauma (which leads him to need to “prove” himself as a “man.”) Too bad he hasn’t joined the 21st century.