Comments on: At last, the Holy Grail of Concern Trolls http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:33:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: PatrickKelley http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37343 PatrickKelley Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:50:27 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37343 Kathy, it's not the government that doesn't want the girls, it's the overall society, the Chinese people themselves who have for millennia put more value on girls than boys. After all, if it were up to the society at large, there would be no "one child per couple" law. This is a fine example of the law of unintended consequences, a government imnposing a law without any regard or consideration for the cultural mores of a society. Kathy, it’s not the government that doesn’t want the girls, it’s the overall society, the Chinese people themselves who have for millennia put more value on girls than boys. After all, if it were up to the society at large, there would be no “one child per couple” law. This is a fine example of the law of unintended consequences, a government imnposing a law without any regard or consideration for the cultural mores of a society.

]]> By: Kathy MCCARTY http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37334 Kathy MCCARTY Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:12:55 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37334 I was instructed somewhere down the line, that the reason we she-devils HAVE so many rights in Amurka, is because wimmin were SCARCE for a VERY long time, and this made us (naturally) quite Uppity. Supply and demand, you know. IF that is true (and that is a VERY big IF, I KNOW) it seems to me that females will become socially more valuable in CHina in the decades to come (if there are any to come, because of overpopulation and global warming etc). Because of scarcity. Because, it's man's world, but it ain't worth NUTHIN without a woman or a girl. (Most heterosexual men agree with this sentiment, in my experience) Trying to change a society's basic beliefs (from afar!) is not going to work. It doesn't even work from up close! We can't make them folks over there value females. But scarcity might work. So as long as we can get all those little girls over here to be adopted by Queers.....(WHY is the CHinese Government making htis harder to do? It's not like they WANT the darlings.) I am not snarking by the way, I think we SHOULD get them over here, PRONTO. I was instructed somewhere down the line, that the reason we she-devils HAVE so many rights in Amurka, is because wimmin were SCARCE for a VERY long time, and this made us (naturally) quite Uppity. Supply and demand, you know.

IF that is true (and that is a VERY big IF, I KNOW) it seems to me that females will become socially more valuable in CHina in the decades to come (if there are any to come, because of overpopulation and global warming etc). Because of scarcity.

Because, it’s man’s world, but it ain’t worth NUTHIN without a woman or a girl. (Most heterosexual men agree with this sentiment, in my experience)

Trying to change a society’s basic beliefs (from afar!) is not going to work. It doesn’t even work from up close! We can’t make them folks over there value females. But scarcity might work.

So as long as we can get all those little girls over here to be adopted by Queers…..(WHY is the CHinese Government making htis harder to do? It’s not like they WANT the darlings.) I am not snarking by the way, I think we SHOULD get them over here, PRONTO.

]]> By: PatrickKelley http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37321 PatrickKelley Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:50:45 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37321 It's just a fact that Chinese society apparently puts a much higher premium on male children than it does females. Add to that the fact that Chinese law dictates only one child per couple, and you have the root of the problem. Maybe tinkering with the abortion law isn't the only solution, but it will definitely have to be the major part of a comprehensive set of solutions, which would possibly include some sort of incentives to have female children, and care for them. Incidentally, abandonment, while tragic, is not the same thing, assuming there are orpanages to take them in. Also, I was speaking about China specifically, not other Asian countries. Anyway, incentives to have girls and care for them should drastically reduce, if not outright eliminate, the problem of abandonment and infanticide. Also, please remember that I also noted that while this probably is somewhat of a problem, I seriously question whether it is as drastic a problem as the subject of the post insists that it is. This is a person who is trying to use the Asian example as an omen of what could supposedly happen here, as a means of encouraging the end to abortion rights here and in the west in general. If this is the kind of person I think he is, I have this strange idea that if all two billion or however many Chinese were to drop dead tomorrow he wouldn't really be all that upset about it, would he now? It’s just a fact that Chinese society apparently puts a much higher premium on male children than it does females. Add to that the fact that Chinese law dictates only one child per couple, and you have the root of the problem. Maybe tinkering with the abortion law isn’t the only solution, but it will definitely have to be the major part of a comprehensive set of solutions, which would possibly include some sort of incentives to have female children, and care for them.

Incidentally, abandonment, while tragic, is not the same thing, assuming there are orpanages to take them in. Also, I was speaking about China specifically, not other Asian countries. Anyway, incentives to have girls and care for them should drastically reduce, if not outright eliminate, the problem of abandonment and infanticide.

Also, please remember that I also noted that while this probably is somewhat of a problem, I seriously question whether it is as drastic a problem as the subject of the post insists that it is. This is a person who is trying to use the Asian example as an omen of what could supposedly happen here, as a means of encouraging the end to abortion rights here and in the west in general.

If this is the kind of person I think he is, I have this strange idea that if all two billion or however many Chinese were to drop dead tomorrow he wouldn’t really be all that upset about it, would he now?

]]> By: Kyso Kisaen http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37320 Kyso Kisaen Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:00:55 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37320 Patrick, what part of the words "abandonment" and "infantacide" are you not getting? There most certainly is a problem, just not one any abortion policy is going to fix. Patrick, what part of the words “abandonment” and “infantacide” are you not getting? There most certainly is a problem, just not one any abortion policy is going to fix.

]]> By: PatrickKelley http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37316 PatrickKelley Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:09:19 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37316 This is not even a problem, really. If it becomes one, the Chinese government will simply put a temporary ban on aborting girls while still allowing only one son until the problem is solved and the ratio is back to normal. Then, they'll probably monitor the problem to make sure it doesn't get to this level again, if it's a real problem to begin with. This seems to be nothing but a disingenuous anti-abortion screed. This is not even a problem, really. If it becomes one, the Chinese government will simply put a temporary ban on aborting girls while still allowing only one son until the problem is solved and the ratio is back to normal. Then, they’ll probably monitor the problem to make sure it doesn’t get to this level again, if it’s a real problem to begin with. This seems to be nothing but a disingenuous anti-abortion screed.

]]> By: Rainbow Girl http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37314 Rainbow Girl Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:04:21 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37314 I like his apocalyptic reference to what life without a wife will look like for 30 million men: "I JUST MADE MY OWN SANDWICH! WHY GOD, WHY? TAKE ME INSTEAD!!" Geez, if he loves women so much why is he giving off such a misogyny vibe? I like his apocalyptic reference to what life without a wife will look like for 30 million men:

“I JUST MADE MY OWN SANDWICH! WHY GOD, WHY? TAKE ME INSTEAD!!”

Geez, if he loves women so much why is he giving off such a misogyny vibe?

]]> By: junk science http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37304 junk science Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:14:29 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37304 How disgusting that someone would turn to a society that hates women so openly to support his argument against abortion. How disgusting that someone would turn to a society that hates women so openly to support his argument against abortion.

]]> By: ECB http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37303 ECB Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:07:15 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37303 I blogged about this too: http://www.ericacbarnett.com/2007/02/breed_breeders_breed.html p.s. Kyso: thanks for the link! I blogged about this too:

http://www.ericacbarnett.com/2007/02/breed_breeders_breed.html

p.s. Kyso: thanks for the link!

]]> By: purpleheart http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37302 purpleheart Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:47:17 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37302 Huh. So it's feminism's fault that women aren't valued over there?? Hmmmmm... Not buying it. It's just more convenient, as you say, Kyso, with the availability of ultrasound. Essentially- technology is outrunning social progress, to put it simply. Huh. So it’s feminism’s fault that women aren’t valued over there?? Hmmmmm… Not buying it. It’s just more convenient, as you say, Kyso, with the availability of ultrasound. Essentially- technology is outrunning social progress, to put it simply.

]]> By: elfinity http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37301 elfinity Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:51:49 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2007/02/22/at-last-the-holy-grail-of-concern-trolls/#comment-37301 GUH.... this is just such a stupid article... Like you pointed out, there's a COMPLETELY different mentality about abortion in non-Christian countries, and it's really not about abortions, it's about undesirability of girl-children. Good post, Kyso. GUH…. this is just such a stupid article… Like you pointed out, there’s a COMPLETELY different mentality about abortion in non-Christian countries, and it’s really not about abortions, it’s about undesirability of girl-children. Good post, Kyso.

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