Modesty is almost as important as patriarchy and profits, and you’re the lucky girl who gets to resolve the conflicts between them!
Published by Kyso Kisaen February 17th, 2007 in Punkass!, For the ladies, Godbaggery, What Patriarchy?, Shame on you for being a womanThe Modesty Survey has been launched (and now features instructions on how to access and interpret the results) and we can all sleep easier knowing that someone has finally given men a voice on the topic of womanly appearance. It’s hard to draw any concrete conclusions from the survey, except for the obvious ones (tube tops and fishnets NOT modest? Be still, my heart!) so you’d best resign yourself to second guessing every piece of fabric that hits your skin. Or ask your husband/father if what you have on turns him on enough (but not too much) without causing him to be jealous of the greedy eyes of other men upon you (NOTE: try not to think about your husband judging you with they eyes of your father or your father thinking like men who want to tap you too much, because here there be nausea).
Anyway, the sum of the results seems to say that somewhere in the large grey area between just staying home and sitting in the dark with the curtains drawn and running through the town naked, there is a small band of grey hues that represent just the perfect amount of modesty and femininity. You should devote many resources to determining where this band is and not deviating from it.
No large, confusing and sometimes conflicting list of quasi-rules about women’s duty to shield men from themselves would be complete without a passive-aggressive Nice Guy(TM) touch, so attached to the survey is a petition which confirms that this survey is NOT a be-all, end-all list of rules, but merely a set of guidelines that have this biblical basis so while you as a woman are not OBLIGATED to take the results to heart it would just be so nice and generous and godly of you to at least try and (cough cough) the type of guy you totally want to marry is totally into nice, generous godly girls. Just sayin’.
Erica Barnett has a few highlights from the comments sections of the results, specifically the parts where men over 30 address a target audience of girls who seem to be about 12-22 years old with phrases like “Yes, you can turn me on, but don’t expect me to respect you.” Hey, Skippy, I’m not sure these girls are aiming those halter tops at you specifically but please don’t let me stop you from thinking that you are at all relevent to the teenage dating scene.
But why focus on the negative? Or the creepy? Let’s talk about what we can do!
Bare feet? Check and check! Over 80% of guys find bare feet to be perfectly modest, although there was no follow-up questions about being either pregnant or in the kitchen.
High heels? Also a go! Only about 25% of guys find high heels (over 2″) to be a “stumbling block,” even though almost a third agree that they make a woman walk in a “suggestive way,” so your fuck-me pumps are safe to wear as long as you promise not to move, I guess.
Cosmetics are also modest, although there is some room for disagreement over “heavy eye make-up.” Even glitter lotion is modest, but you still might refrain from wearing it when rubbing yourself all over the other studly members of your youth group:
Plus, it makes a mess, and anytime a girl is wearing it I seem to get it on myself and my clothes. Kind of like a pet shedding hair, except it’s you shedding sparkles.
Carrying a purse or messenger bag in a safe, convenient manner? No go. The diagonal slash across the boobies is titilating for nearly half of the respondents, who I guess are not allowed out of the house much:
(Age 18) Yeah, I remember seeing a lady with a strap like that when I was a little younger. It was definitely a distraction. =P
Empire waist shirts are still on the OK list (especially for itty-bitty titty committee members) although you leave yourself open to assumptions of harlotry since they look like maternity wear.
Fashion-conscious girls all over the country wil rejoice-overalls are OK! As long as they are not worn in any of the ways that make them briefly stylish every few summers:
Actually, if the straps come down too far, they can be pretty provocative by drawing attention to the bust.
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from a front profile they are fine. From the side profile, however, they are very suggestive especially if the shirt worn underneath is quite tight, which accent the curves of the bust.
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Overalls still tend to show a girl’s figure, no matter how loose-fitting. However, they are more modest than regular jeans and having a modest shirt underneath is definitely helpful.
Got calves? Then flaunt them, baby! Over 80% of survey respondants can handle the heat radiating off of your shapely lower legs. It’s those thighs that are the problem. And of course, the knees, the gateway to the thighs:
Mid-calf for skirts and pants (e.g. capris) is my personal preference, but I’d really prefer not to see your knees when you’re standing.
And finally, an important line has been drawn concenring t-shirts: messages across the tits is a no, but floral designs are a go. Which leads to an important question: just how modest are Boundless magazine’s t-shirts?
Boundless is a hip young off-shoot of Focus on the Family which has articles by both Alex and Brett Harris and is sometimes linked to by Rebeloution. And yet, here they are selling what may or may not be immodest t-shirts with the implicit message that wearing Boundless gear will open the door to some hot Christian action!
In the story, nameless hottie girl is persuaded to give unattractive, intrusive dork some attention when fate, in the form of Boundless paraphanelia, draws them together at the laundromat. The dork’s ability to confuse her with big words leads her to believe that he feels the same way she does about Godliness, even though all he really cares about is the high quality of the shirt and how great her boobs look in it:
Ron notices her fidgeting with the lid and says, “Be careful there: serious accidents have occurred when the interlocks on those machines have failed or been overridden and users have been able to open the lid and access the revolving cage while it’s still running at high speed.”
…”How can such a cute guy be so wordy?” she thinks to herself as she goes to check on her dryer load. “Maybe he’s nervous.”
“Hey, that’s a Boundless shirt,” he exclaims. “I have one too.” Ron rifles through his pile of laundry and digs out a wrinkled — though still eye-catching — black Boundless T-shirt.
“Do you read Boundless?” the girl asks.
“Yeah I sure do,” Ron says as he looks more closely at the Boundless T-shirt. “Don’t you love the 100% fine jersey cotton on these shirts, combed for softness and comfort?”
“Uh, yeah, I guess so,” she responds. “So you been reading Boundless long?”
“Yeah, for a couple of years,” Ron says before adding, “Did you notice the baby rib cotton stretchable collar for increased comfort and durability?”
“So what do you think about all the stuff Boundless says about dating?” the girl asks.
“There’s nothing quite like it,” Ron replies, “Kind of like the durable double-stitched bottom hem, sleeve and neck binding on these tees.”
“Uh huh,” the girl responds before saying excitedly. “I gotta tell you Boundless has really changed my views on dating and marriage.”
Still examining the shirt, Ron says, “Speaking of views, these T-shirts are famous for their flattering, stylish fit on virtually any body type.” At the words “body type,” Ron slowly looks back up at the shirt’s owner who flashes a nervous smile.
“Would you, uh …” he stammers, “Like to join me in having a little something from the vending machine?”
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m getting several messages loud and clear here.
“Would you, uh …” he stammers, “Like to join me in having a little something from the vending machine?”
So it’s not unchristian to try to hook up as long as you’re doing something no one would do after graduating middle school. Or proposing something so pathetic that the girl would have no choice but to laugh in your face, thus allowing you to preserve your virtue.
I’m a Christian and I don’t like the modesty survey! I told ‘em too; I know I won’t convince Brett and Alex, but maybe some random passerby will see my amazing arguments against the survey and be swayed by them. Or not.
I love that many guys assume all skimpy-outfit-wearing girls must be doing it to attract guys. ALL girls. And they get mad when folks stereotype Christians based on a few people!
Don’t forget, low-rise jeans are bad too. (I personally can’t stand wearing pants/shorts/skirts higher than the top of the hipbone; it’s just uncomfortable for me… maybe I should just stick to dresses so I won’t make men think I want them!)
That Boundless website is great. You can’t masturbate without thinking of wild promiscuous sex! So ladies, your cramp relief is SIN! Also, porn is bad because it shows naked women! And a return to modesty will cause men to better respect women!
“So ladies, your cramp relief is SIN!”
Just had to point out that these people conveniently overlooked a very obvious non-fantasizing about-promiscuous-sex reason for it.
Gah, I kinda implied that that was all there was to women masturbating.
And I also found an anti-porn article there talking about porn demeaning and objectifying women, and that many men liked porn ’cause the women in porn will ALWAYS say yes, unlike a real women… their ’spotlight’ porn article didn’t address that, but an article linked to did. So I came to too hasty a conclusion on ‘em. Ah well. Anyhow…
Sounds like someone’s getting ready to become a patriarchy blamer.
“Would you, uh …” he stammers, “Like to join me in having a little something from the vending machine?”
Pity the story wasn’t set in Japan.
My favorite by far was anything cinched at the waist was a stumbling block. Basically they cannot make themselves look halfway stylish under any circumstances.
Or proposing something so pathetic that the girl would have no choice but to laugh in your face, thus allowing you to preserve your virtue.
No, no, you see, thanks to Boundless magazine, the girl is primed to accept a “safe” lame-o date ata vending machine with a guy who hasn’t once listened to a word she said or said anything interesting to her in return.
Why is it that although I wear so many stumbling blocks, none of these assholes ever fall on their face?
Is it just me or does the girl in the Boundless ad look kinda jail-bait-ish? And the guy kinda looks about 20 years older than her.
“anything cinched at the waist was a stumbling block” — you mean, like wearing a belt?
I’ve been avoiding looking at the survey and suggestions, didn’t want to hurt myself. Looks like I was right to be worried.
I’ve been avoiding looking at the survey and suggestions, didn’t want to hurt myself. Looks like I was right to be worried.
Meh, I wasn’t impressed. The comments get a little wierd, but on average it turns out that although there is a lot of lip service to modesty, girls are still encouraged to toe the standard beauty line.
Like the body glitter thing. If you assume that “modest” means not only “not slutty” but also “unassuming, not drawing attention to yourself” then clearly body glitter is not modest. But it is cute and pretty and doesn’t involve teh boobies so a majority of Christian guys gave it the stamp of approval. Same deal with high heels, most make-up and accessories.
The most impressive thing about the survey was the number of girls who want to take it seriously but have not imbibed of the Kool-Aid. So for every 10 or 15 girls going “OMG Thank you so much I totally didn’t know see-through shirts were suggestive!” there are two or three saying “Wait, if half or less of the guys think that ordinary wardrobe component A is suggestive, but the rest say it’s ok, what the hell am I supposed to do about that?” or “You find that suggestive? You’ve got to be kidding”
Oh god. “Immodest clothing is not a problem (for you) when a girl in your own family wears it.”
*drumroll*
“Maybe I am alone in this, but my ‘Hey! Female skin!’ radar doesn’t stop to check DNA first.”
“A young lady, regardless of your relation to her, can be a stumbling block/temptation to a young man. Sort of a disgusting thought, but men, if not walking in the Spirit everday, can be wolves.”
“Immodest clothing is always a problem. Satan can even use our sisters to tempt us.”
“A girl is a girl. My sisters look like girls, and therefore they are potentially a temptation. Just because I have a relationship with them does not mean that their womanliness physically can not stir up wrong thoughts.”
“Even my Mom can attract my attention if she isn’t careful.” [There are no words.]
“Well, the only girl in my family is my mom, and she rarely wears immodest clothing, but the few times she has I would say it has been an issue.” [Ditto.]
“It makes me so angry! Whatever you say to your sister or mother will be inappropriate and they will get mad at you!” [Seriously! I don’t know why my sister got all creeped out when I tell her I want to fill her hot little ass with a big load of jizz! I guess that’s why I am in foster care.]
And the winner is a 40-49 year-old man who says:
“I have a niece who wears tight/immodest clothing and it is definitely an issue.” [Yes, obviously SHE’S the one with issues, you fucking freak.]
Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the incest-y question. I believe the Harris boys had to come up with some kind of reassuring explaination about that one, as some girls were a bit squicked out. And rightfully so, I think.