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		<title>By: JABbering Stooge :: About that Iran thing&#8230; Part the second :: January :: 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>JABbering Stooge :: About that Iran thing&#8230; Part the second :: January :: 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Marc at Punkass Blog notes: Not that you’d know it from most online US news sources (The Post excluded), but it appears the US engaged in an act of war with Iran: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Anon on this.  I have read quite alot (albeit a while ago) written by many that pointed up the history of the neocons regarding their intention to &#039;take the middle east&#039;.  The imperialist ambitions of Bush&#039;s first advisors (wolfowitz) and the wingnut parade of the likes of that guy Pearl and others has left its impression.  That they have skirted out the door when things got messy in Iraq does not mean that others in the administration didn&#039;t share their greedy, loony ambitions.

Also, like Anon says, one cannot ignore that regardless of the political weather in Washington or the US, there are those who stand to make millions and have made millions from this preemptive aggression policy. In fact, I&#039;d say that the entire preemptive strike language, the Patriot Act, shuttling of the Geneva Conventions have all been in preparation of the Grand Scheme which is to over run the oil dominions of the Middle East -- and to be enabled to do so without public consent or dissent.

It is very difficult to not waiver into the world of conspiracy theories when history tells that most tyrants run by conspiracy of one kind or another.  They call it strategy.  

I&#039;d also like to add that the class divisions in the country are so absolutely stark that the upper classes regard the masses as nothing more than fodder for their own gain.  Conveniently removed from the daily grind of the average citizen, they can easily ignore the price others pay for their gain.  In addition, class separation and economic priviledge tend to lend to most of the upper echelons and highly connected, the misquided notion that their actions are guided by an almost divine, god given intelligence that us lowers haven&#039;t the ability to grasp. Therefore, regardless of the churnings among the masses, they press on, convinced that they alone, know what&#039;s best.

Bush has indeed encapsulated within his two terms the closest I think this country has ever seen to an Imperial Presidency, not only evident by what he and his administration chooses to do, but how they do it, when and why.  The intentional dysfunctional public education system in America has led to a population of nodding donkeys, most of whom don&#039;t have the slightest notion of how this government is supposed to work, how tenuous their &#039;freedoms&#039; really are, or how to make critical assessments of the most rudimentary civic activities, including their own.  Now we all shall pay the piper.

And like Anon, I think often these days about the impending disaster of our country without basic infrastructure such as gas and electricity, where currency has no value and refugees clamour and fight for every morsel of survival possible. It would be a certain nightmare that too few people even bother to consider possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Anon on this.  I have read quite alot (albeit a while ago) written by many that pointed up the history of the neocons regarding their intention to &#8216;take the middle east&#8217;.  The imperialist ambitions of Bush&#8217;s first advisors (wolfowitz) and the wingnut parade of the likes of that guy Pearl and others has left its impression.  That they have skirted out the door when things got messy in Iraq does not mean that others in the administration didn&#8217;t share their greedy, loony ambitions.</p>
<p>Also, like Anon says, one cannot ignore that regardless of the political weather in Washington or the US, there are those who stand to make millions and have made millions from this preemptive aggression policy. In fact, I&#8217;d say that the entire preemptive strike language, the Patriot Act, shuttling of the Geneva Conventions have all been in preparation of the Grand Scheme which is to over run the oil dominions of the Middle East &#8212; and to be enabled to do so without public consent or dissent.</p>
<p>It is very difficult to not waiver into the world of conspiracy theories when history tells that most tyrants run by conspiracy of one kind or another.  They call it strategy.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to add that the class divisions in the country are so absolutely stark that the upper classes regard the masses as nothing more than fodder for their own gain.  Conveniently removed from the daily grind of the average citizen, they can easily ignore the price others pay for their gain.  In addition, class separation and economic priviledge tend to lend to most of the upper echelons and highly connected, the misquided notion that their actions are guided by an almost divine, god given intelligence that us lowers haven&#8217;t the ability to grasp. Therefore, regardless of the churnings among the masses, they press on, convinced that they alone, know what&#8217;s best.</p>
<p>Bush has indeed encapsulated within his two terms the closest I think this country has ever seen to an Imperial Presidency, not only evident by what he and his administration chooses to do, but how they do it, when and why.  The intentional dysfunctional public education system in America has led to a population of nodding donkeys, most of whom don&#8217;t have the slightest notion of how this government is supposed to work, how tenuous their &#8216;freedoms&#8217; really are, or how to make critical assessments of the most rudimentary civic activities, including their own.  Now we all shall pay the piper.</p>
<p>And like Anon, I think often these days about the impending disaster of our country without basic infrastructure such as gas and electricity, where currency has no value and refugees clamour and fight for every morsel of survival possible. It would be a certain nightmare that too few people even bother to consider possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I think you&#039;re theory is pretty far stretched for one reason only. I don&#039;t doubt that BushCo would do anything and everything to hold on to power, and that they would be so reckless, etc. etc. However, I think the electoral calculus is a bit off. 

Obviously 9/11 did great things for Bush - he was well on his way to becoming a national joke on September 10th and it pretty much saved his presidency. But the situation these days is considerably different. The American people have grisly evidence of his gross incompetence - Katrina, Iraq - and I think a terrorist atrocity on US soil would be viewed as emblematic of his government&#039;s - and his party&#039;s - failure rather than a reason to unite behind the commander-in-chief. That said, I&#039;m not an American and you guys frequently surprise me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I think you&#8217;re theory is pretty far stretched for one reason only. I don&#8217;t doubt that BushCo would do anything and everything to hold on to power, and that they would be so reckless, etc. etc. However, I think the electoral calculus is a bit off. </p>
<p>Obviously 9/11 did great things for Bush &#8211; he was well on his way to becoming a national joke on September 10th and it pretty much saved his presidency. But the situation these days is considerably different. The American people have grisly evidence of his gross incompetence &#8211; Katrina, Iraq &#8211; and I think a terrorist atrocity on US soil would be viewed as emblematic of his government&#8217;s &#8211; and his party&#8217;s &#8211; failure rather than a reason to unite behind the commander-in-chief. That said, I&#8217;m not an American and you guys frequently surprise me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first instinct is usually to poo-poo these kinds of conspiracy theories; I think they often overestimate the potency of government and the intelligence and cruelty of people in power. Real life isn&#039;t like &lt;I&gt;The Prisoner&lt;/I&gt;, after all.

I was all set to say something like that, but then I realised that &lt;I&gt;I absolutely agree with you&lt;/I&gt;.

Really, I can&#039;t think of any other way to read this then as a poke in the eye directed at Iran.

There&#039;s no way even George W. Bush is dumb or ignorant enough not to realise the ramifications of attacking a consulate.

It is possible, though, that he (And the rest of the goons running things) is dumb enough to think that Iran will pretty much roll over, and if he keeps fucking with them in little increments, that they&#039;ll go completely where he wants them to without actually putting up a fight.

And if they do, hey, that&#039;s &lt;I&gt;their fault&lt;/I&gt; for being evil, not his.

Honestly, I think that that&#039;s the most likely interpretation; He had to know that it could be considered an unprovoked act of war, and he had to have been at least semi-concious of possible Iranian responses.

It&#039;s possible there was a really bang-up, airtight reason to attack the embassy, but given his administrations past record in regard to... everything, really, that&#039;s an exceedingly small possibility.

And even if true, his thinking is still probably along the lines outlined above; the only difference is how flimsy his rationale is and what the underlying motives are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first instinct is usually to poo-poo these kinds of conspiracy theories; I think they often overestimate the potency of government and the intelligence and cruelty of people in power. Real life isn&#8217;t like <i>The Prisoner</i>, after all.</p>
<p>I was all set to say something like that, but then I realised that <i>I absolutely agree with you</i>.</p>
<p>Really, I can&#8217;t think of any other way to read this then as a poke in the eye directed at Iran.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way even George W. Bush is dumb or ignorant enough not to realise the ramifications of attacking a consulate.</p>
<p>It is possible, though, that he (And the rest of the goons running things) is dumb enough to think that Iran will pretty much roll over, and if he keeps fucking with them in little increments, that they&#8217;ll go completely where he wants them to without actually putting up a fight.</p>
<p>And if they do, hey, that&#8217;s <i>their fault</i> for being evil, not his.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think that that&#8217;s the most likely interpretation; He had to know that it could be considered an unprovoked act of war, and he had to have been at least semi-concious of possible Iranian responses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible there was a really bang-up, airtight reason to attack the embassy, but given his administrations past record in regard to&#8230; everything, really, that&#8217;s an exceedingly small possibility.</p>
<p>And even if true, his thinking is still probably along the lines outlined above; the only difference is how flimsy his rationale is and what the underlying motives are.</p>
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		<title>By: nffcnnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>nffcnnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SecDef Rumsfeld on the Middle East just after 9/11: &quot;Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.&quot; http://www.outragedmoderates.org/2006/02/dod-staffers-notes-from-911-obtained.html ...This has been the guiding philosophy that made this &quot;war on terr-er&quot; make a detour into Iraq, now they wanna expand into Iran and Syria. Now this raid on the Iranian consulateHere we go. This is happening, folks. BushCo is setting up the Iranins to attack the US, so as to justify missile strikes on their nuke sites. Freakin&#039; scary. And all of this for profit of a few and sacrifice of the many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SecDef Rumsfeld on the Middle East just after 9/11: &#8220;Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.&#8221; <a href="http://www.outragedmoderates.org/2006/02/dod-staffers-notes-from-911-obtained.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.outragedmoderates.org/2006/02/dod-staffers-notes-from-911-obtained.html</a> &#8230;This has been the guiding philosophy that made this &#8220;war on terr-er&#8221; make a detour into Iraq, now they wanna expand into Iran and Syria. Now this raid on the Iranian consulateHere we go. This is happening, folks. BushCo is setting up the Iranins to attack the US, so as to justify missile strikes on their nuke sites. Freakin&#8217; scary. And all of this for profit of a few and sacrifice of the many.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it could also have been stage managed by Syria to put the US in a bad spot -- use the consulate to funnel all kinds of mischief so that we&#039;re damned either way whether or not we attack it.  But I have not got enough info to know, so really I don&#039;t know any more than the rest of us do.

But for your overall article here, there&#039;s one aspect of the analysis that might prove you wrong (I hope)...consider that your analysis takes as an assumption the goal here is political power.  As in hanging on to political power.

See, I don&#039;t think that is this administration&#039;s goal (partly why, I think, we are seeign more republican politicians not in the administration itself starting to break away).  If they were really interested in hanging on to power, Cheney would never have been VP for the second term.  The designated political successor would have been the VP.  That Bush did NOT choose someone to succeed him tells me that they don&#039;t care about hanging on to the political power base.

Therefore, the political power they have/had was a means to an end in of itself.  What end?  I think it&#039;s clear enough -- this admin has been about lining pockets with as much money as possible, using the neocon&#039;s gibbering nonsense to propel us into war whereby contracts, worth $$ and lasting for years regardless of who is in power in Washington, seems to have bee much more the focus.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it could also have been stage managed by Syria to put the US in a bad spot &#8212; use the consulate to funnel all kinds of mischief so that we&#8217;re damned either way whether or not we attack it.  But I have not got enough info to know, so really I don&#8217;t know any more than the rest of us do.</p>
<p>But for your overall article here, there&#8217;s one aspect of the analysis that might prove you wrong (I hope)&#8230;consider that your analysis takes as an assumption the goal here is political power.  As in hanging on to political power.</p>
<p>See, I don&#8217;t think that is this administration&#8217;s goal (partly why, I think, we are seeign more republican politicians not in the administration itself starting to break away).  If they were really interested in hanging on to power, Cheney would never have been VP for the second term.  The designated political successor would have been the VP.  That Bush did NOT choose someone to succeed him tells me that they don&#8217;t care about hanging on to the political power base.</p>
<p>Therefore, the political power they have/had was a means to an end in of itself.  What end?  I think it&#8217;s clear enough &#8212; this admin has been about lining pockets with as much money as possible, using the neocon&#8217;s gibbering nonsense to propel us into war whereby contracts, worth $$ and lasting for years regardless of who is in power in Washington, seems to have bee much more the focus.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Quin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the creeps infesting the Oval Office right now might just be praying harder than Reverend Pat for a domestic terror incident, I don&#039;t think the storming of the Iranian embassy is meant to provoke a terror attack. Clearly it&#039;s meant to provoke the Iranian government.

The neocons&#039;ve been itching for Iran since the beginning, and Bush has blind faith that by ever more desperately going &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20060419030725/billmon.org/archives/002390.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;double down&lt;/a&gt; with all of America&#039;s chips, he&#039;ll eventually hit the jackpot. He knows he will. After all, he&#039;s due. This losing streak can&#039;t go on forever, can it? It&#039;s gambling addiction, plain and simple. Or, perhaps better put, &lt;a&gt;war addiction&lt;/a&gt; of the sickest kind: in which the perpetrators get off on the rush and don&#039;t have to pay the price.

This time they&#039;re not going to go through Congress to get permission for their illegal war. No, personally speaking, when I put on *my* tinfoil hat, I&#039;m with Arthur Silberman ( http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/10/final-act.html ): the neocons have already decided to attack Iran, and they will do it by hook or by crook while they still retain power of the executive branch.

It doesn&#039;t matter that the Democrats control the Congress. They won&#039;t go through Congress this time.

You know the rest: endless war, America descends into blatant tyranny...

Not to get too Riddley Walker or anything, but between this, global warming and the impending energy crisis, I&#039;m seriously thinking of enlisting myself in a crash course post-civilization survival skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the creeps infesting the Oval Office right now might just be praying harder than Reverend Pat for a domestic terror incident, I don&#8217;t think the storming of the Iranian embassy is meant to provoke a terror attack. Clearly it&#8217;s meant to provoke the Iranian government.</p>
<p>The neocons&#8217;ve been itching for Iran since the beginning, and Bush has blind faith that by ever more desperately going <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060419030725/billmon.org/archives/002390.html" rel="nofollow">double down</a> with all of America&#8217;s chips, he&#8217;ll eventually hit the jackpot. He knows he will. After all, he&#8217;s due. This losing streak can&#8217;t go on forever, can it? It&#8217;s gambling addiction, plain and simple. Or, perhaps better put, <a>war addiction</a> of the sickest kind: in which the perpetrators get off on the rush and don&#8217;t have to pay the price.</p>
<p>This time they&#8217;re not going to go through Congress to get permission for their illegal war. No, personally speaking, when I put on *my* tinfoil hat, I&#8217;m with Arthur Silberman ( <a href="http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/10/final-act.html" rel="nofollow">http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/10/final-act.html</a> ): the neocons have already decided to attack Iran, and they will do it by hook or by crook while they still retain power of the executive branch.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that the Democrats control the Congress. They won&#8217;t go through Congress this time.</p>
<p>You know the rest: endless war, America descends into blatant tyranny&#8230;</p>
<p>Not to get too Riddley Walker or anything, but between this, global warming and the impending energy crisis, I&#8217;m seriously thinking of enlisting myself in a crash course post-civilization survival skills.</p>
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		<title>By: celticfeminist</title>
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		<dc:creator>celticfeminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After these past elections, even with the fresh pine scent of hope and change in the air with the new Democratic majority, I had misgivings about what good it would do. I think I actually said to my partner, &quot;Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment, these elections went surprisingly smoothly and we ended up a Democratic majority. Our fears of election fixing were mostly wrong. But what if they weren&#039;t? What if the Democrats were allowed back into power, just so BushCo could set-up another terrorist attack on our nation, so that it could be &quot;proven&quot; once again that the Democrats are weak on terror and the Repugs would scream back into a majority. But, that&#039;s crazy talk, right?&quot;

Now, I&#039;m wondering if my tinfoil-hat-thinking was, even its admittedly overly paranoic ramblings, somewhat close to the truth. I know I wouldn&#039;t be surprised, in the least, for the fuckers in charge to allow a terrorist attack on the USA in order to reaffirm and settle their hold on power. This attacking the consulate stuff is ... insane. Absolutely, positively without any kind of legal or moral rationale. And it can only lead to more death and destruction. 

Ye gods, it&#039;s enough to make me want to scream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After these past elections, even with the fresh pine scent of hope and change in the air with the new Democratic majority, I had misgivings about what good it would do. I think I actually said to my partner, &#8220;Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment, these elections went surprisingly smoothly and we ended up a Democratic majority. Our fears of election fixing were mostly wrong. But what if they weren&#8217;t? What if the Democrats were allowed back into power, just so BushCo could set-up another terrorist attack on our nation, so that it could be &#8220;proven&#8221; once again that the Democrats are weak on terror and the Repugs would scream back into a majority. But, that&#8217;s crazy talk, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m wondering if my tinfoil-hat-thinking was, even its admittedly overly paranoic ramblings, somewhat close to the truth. I know I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised, in the least, for the fuckers in charge to allow a terrorist attack on the USA in order to reaffirm and settle their hold on power. This attacking the consulate stuff is &#8230; insane. Absolutely, positively without any kind of legal or moral rationale. And it can only lead to more death and destruction. </p>
<p>Ye gods, it&#8217;s enough to make me want to scream.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Cracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to assume there was a limit to what Bush &amp; Co. would do to salvage their self-esteem and hang on to power. I no longer make that assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to assume there was a limit to what Bush &amp; Co. would do to salvage their self-esteem and hang on to power. I no longer make that assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bourgeois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Bourgeois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why LIHOP when you can MIHOP?</description>
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