Comments on: The greatest trick the devil ever played was making you think he was a lib http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/ Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:59:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: john doe http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-16013 john doe Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:51:10 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-16013 How any1 of you can can get up on a moral high-horse is beyond me. The ideas that you express ( not all but the majority) are nothing but tasteless propaganda aimed to subdue the voice of others whose opinion you dont agree with. Maybe it was intended as a joke, maybe what i am saying right now is, but amanda's early comment in relation to roxanne's pulp fiction reference was ignorant, a virtue that i feel sums up this page. I realise the paradox of my statement, as ultimately everyone is ignorant to a certain extent, with mine pertaining to my ambivalence to the opinions expressed herein. However, argument is sometimes a necessary aspect of discussion. Therefore, the intrinsic ambivalence of individuals actually leads to their individuality respective to thought. Discussion, and thus argument, is a necessary part of growth, without which a true measure of ones thoughts can never be grasped. Punkass says that expressing ones opinions can be construed as verbal abuse, i say to that, who gives a fuck. Expressing ones opinions is an inherent right for humanity. Punkass also talks about egotistical, and maybe what i am saying may sound egotistical, maybe it is egotistical. My ego is not large enuf to assume that i have no ego, and this paradox is the crux of many arguments and views, expressed by many people. Not all important, some very trivial infact.Maybe im rambling on and your thinking, what the fuck is this guy talking about, and i must admit i am thinking the same thing. perhaps what i am trying to get as is the most trivial of trivial, or perhaps it is simplistic yet profound, but i believe that every1 who has a brain should use it to the best of their ability. This is in essence the thought that i am trying to convey, every1 has an opinion, every1 has a bias, and every1 has the right to express that opinion to a constructive end. Too oft it is in striving for a goal that people try to perfect the means instead of trying to perfect the ends. Ultimately, the journey is not important, it is a means to an end. Money, this is a means that many people confuse with an end. Without money, there would be much more prosperity within the world, and certainly much less suffering. yet, at the moment in the most desperate of places, money is the only thing that will bring relief. It is a double edged sword that is much duller on the side of those who have it. "The only class of people who think more about money than the wealthy, is the poor". Now, i have no idea where i am going with this, perhaps this is just an excuse to exercise for my brain. I guess, it all, everything and anything, comes down to perception. Perception is the key to reality, to existance. I dont pretend to know any profound truths, despite my ravings, but i would like to share this with you who are stil reading this ranting, which is that we should all take a page out of john lennons book, and imagine the world, in peace. "All it takes for the triumph of evil, is for good men to not do anything" Getting back to reality and peoples perceptions of it, i realise that my words are fruitless for people who are in need, whose lives are not as easy as ours, but i believe strongly, and as einstein once said, "reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one". If you can take anything at all from what i have said, indeed if there is anything to take from what i have said, is that reality is merely an illusion based solely on your perception of reality. To change your perspective, and thus change your reality, is a divine gift that all should exercise, as so often the case is, people do not. Just think about the question, what is reality?, i know i will. I hope i have not offended anyone too much, as in despite of my earler talking, i do not revel in argument, but wish for peace and harmony. I also hope i have not bored you to the brink of your own existance, and i hope you can realise that your reality, and thus every1 elses reality, as there is no doubt that we are all inextricably linked, is a consequence of your perception. These are my opinions expressed, and if you dont like them then faif enough, you are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine. Peace to the world. How any1 of you can can get up on a moral high-horse is beyond me. The ideas that you express ( not all but the majority) are nothing but tasteless propaganda aimed to subdue the voice of others whose opinion you dont agree with. Maybe it was intended as a joke, maybe what i am saying right now is, but amanda’s early comment in relation to roxanne’s pulp fiction reference was ignorant, a virtue that i feel sums up this page. I realise the paradox of my statement, as ultimately everyone is ignorant to a certain extent, with mine pertaining to my ambivalence to the opinions expressed herein. However, argument is sometimes a necessary aspect of discussion. Therefore, the intrinsic ambivalence of individuals actually leads to their individuality respective to thought. Discussion, and thus argument, is a necessary part of growth, without which a true measure of ones thoughts can never be grasped.
Punkass says that expressing ones opinions can be construed as verbal abuse, i say to that, who gives a fuck. Expressing ones opinions is an inherent right for humanity. Punkass also talks about egotistical, and maybe what i am saying may sound egotistical, maybe it is egotistical. My ego is not large enuf to assume that i have no ego, and this paradox is the crux of many arguments and views, expressed by many people. Not all important, some very trivial infact.Maybe im rambling on and your thinking, what the fuck is this guy talking about, and i must admit i am thinking the same thing. perhaps what i am trying to get as is the most trivial of trivial, or perhaps it is simplistic yet profound, but i believe that every1 who has a brain should use it to the best of their ability. This is in essence the thought that i am trying to convey, every1 has an opinion, every1 has a bias, and every1 has the right to express that opinion to a constructive end. Too oft it is in striving for a goal that people try to perfect the means instead of trying to perfect the ends. Ultimately, the journey is not important, it is a means to an end. Money, this is a means that many people confuse with an end. Without money, there would be much more prosperity within the world, and certainly much less suffering. yet, at the moment in the most desperate of places, money is the only thing that will bring relief. It is a double edged sword that is much duller on the side of those who have it. “The only class of people who think more about money than the wealthy, is the poor”. Now, i have no idea where i am going with this, perhaps this is just an excuse to exercise for my brain. I guess, it all, everything and anything, comes down to perception. Perception is the key to reality, to existance. I dont pretend to know any profound truths, despite my ravings, but i would like to share this with you who are stil reading this ranting, which is that we should all take a page out of john lennons book, and imagine the world, in peace. “All it takes for the triumph of evil, is for good men to not do anything”
Getting back to reality and peoples perceptions of it, i realise that my words are fruitless for people who are in need, whose lives are not as easy as ours, but i believe strongly, and as einstein once said, “reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one”. If you can take anything at all from what i have said, indeed if there is anything to take from what i have said, is that reality is merely an illusion based solely on your perception of reality. To change your perspective, and thus change your reality, is a divine gift that all should exercise, as so often the case is, people do not. Just think about the question, what is reality?, i know i will. I hope i have not offended anyone too much, as in despite of my earler talking, i do not revel in argument, but wish for peace and harmony. I also hope i have not bored you to the brink of your own existance, and i hope you can realise that your reality, and thus every1 elses reality, as there is no doubt that we are all inextricably linked, is a consequence of your perception. These are my opinions expressed, and if you dont like them then faif enough, you are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine. Peace to the world.

]]> By: Bitch | Lab » If it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit, then it IS bullshit. http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-12389 Bitch | Lab » If it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit, then it IS bullshit. Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:19:35 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-12389 [...] Wow. The b.s. keeps piling high over there at Punkass. I’m getting a distinct whiff of the pungent odor right here in LimpDick (and I don’t know what that makes Texas if Florida is the limpdick of the nation. The balls? Kinda concave, eh?). [...] [...] Wow. The b.s. keeps piling high over there at Punkass. I’m getting a distinct whiff of the pungent odor right here in LimpDick (and I don’t know what that makes Texas if Florida is the limpdick of the nation. The balls? Kinda concave, eh?). [...]

]]> By: Bitch | Lab http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11266 Bitch | Lab Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:58:17 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11266 FDL -- <blockquote>Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can’t start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about. </blockquote> Kos? Kos? 'Zat u? FDL –

Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can’t start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about.

Kos? Kos? ‘Zat u?

]]> By: piny http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11263 piny Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:04:41 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11263 <em>Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can’t start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about. </em> It would be banal, if it weren't a reply to someone who doesn't seem to see avoidance as a problem. Say a liberal/progressive guy with a political blog wrote about everything but women's reproductive rights, and then defended himself with, "Well, fuck, I'm just completely ignorant. I write what I know, and what I don't know is how the laws of this country affect women." I would respond to that with, "Well, yeah, you are ignorant--no objection there. Thing is, you've gotta work on that." Same basic principle. Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can’t start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about.

It would be banal, if it weren’t a reply to someone who doesn’t seem to see avoidance as a problem.

Say a liberal/progressive guy with a political blog wrote about everything but women’s reproductive rights, and then defended himself with, “Well, fuck, I’m just completely ignorant. I write what I know, and what I don’t know is how the laws of this country affect women.” I would respond to that with, “Well, yeah, you are ignorant–no objection there. Thing is, you’ve gotta work on that.” Same basic principle.

]]> By: Fat Doug Lover http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11262 Fat Doug Lover Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:30:29 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11262 Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can't start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about. Fascinating insight. To write about one thing is not to write about another. Too bad people can’t start blogs of their own to write about what they want to write about.

]]> By: Véronique http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11261 Véronique Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:51:36 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11261 Amanda, you said: "I don’t link blogs that discuss race as much as you’d like me to because, to be blunt, I don’t feel I have anything to add. I write what I know. It doesn’t mean I don’t care or whatever, but my blogging is about me writing what I write about well, and for various reasons, race just isn’t up there. I went to all sorts of blogs, POC and not, and talked about this. So at this point, I’m basically up a creek on concerns. I’m not going to change what I write about." Well, that goes actually right to the core of the critique of white liberal/mainstream feminism made by WOC and other feminists. It's not about writing 'about race' or not that is the problem. The problem is that gender oppression CANNOT be understood, and even less opposed, without taking into account how it is entangled with other systems of oppression (race, class, heteronormativity, colonialism, etc.). And even if you don't 'write about race' explicitly, race is present in your analysis: in the unackowledged assumptions that you can talk about gender without talking about race. And this (unacknowledged) assumption is very much informed by other assumptions, which is that only people of color are affected by 'race', that 'whiteness' is not worth of analyzing and criticizing, that ideas about 'whiteness' do not enter into your understanding of 'gender', etc. And as Piny said, not knowing much about something is not an excuse. There are a lot of people in this world who don't have much resources and access to information and education. But I doubt you are one of them. So, it is up to you to do the work of informing and educating yourself. That is, if you really *do* care. Amanda, you said:

“I don’t link blogs that discuss race as much as you’d like me to because, to be blunt, I don’t feel I have anything to add. I write what I know. It doesn’t mean I don’t care or whatever, but my blogging is about me writing what I write about well, and for various reasons, race just isn’t up there. I went to all sorts of blogs, POC and not, and talked about this. So at this point, I’m basically up a creek on concerns. I’m not going to change what I write about.”

Well, that goes actually right to the core of the critique of white liberal/mainstream feminism made by WOC and other feminists. It’s not about writing ‘about race’ or not that is the problem. The problem is that gender oppression CANNOT be understood, and even less opposed, without taking into account how it is entangled with other systems of oppression (race, class, heteronormativity, colonialism, etc.). And even if you don’t ‘write about race’ explicitly, race is present in your analysis: in the unackowledged assumptions that you can talk about gender without talking about race. And this (unacknowledged) assumption is very much informed by other assumptions, which is that only people of color are affected by ‘race’, that ‘whiteness’ is not worth of analyzing and criticizing, that ideas about ‘whiteness’ do not enter into your understanding of ‘gender’, etc.

And as Piny said, not knowing much about something is not an excuse. There are a lot of people in this world who don’t have much resources and access to information and education. But I doubt you are one of them. So, it is up to you to do the work of informing and educating yourself. That is, if you really *do* care.

]]> By: piny http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11258 piny Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:05:32 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11258 <em>I don’t link blogs that discuss race as much as you’d like me to because, to be blunt, I don’t feel I have anything to add. I write what I know. It doesn’t mean I don’t care or whatever, but my blogging is about me writing what I write about well, and for various reasons, race just isn’t up there. I went to all sorts of blogs, POC and not, and talked about this. So at this point, I’m basically up a creek on concerns. I’m not going to change what I write about. </em> That's not a defense against insensitivity; that's the foundation of insensitivity. You don't have anything to add because you don't hang out at these blogs. You have some control over what you know, remember? I don’t link blogs that discuss race as much as you’d like me to because, to be blunt, I don’t feel I have anything to add. I write what I know. It doesn’t mean I don’t care or whatever, but my blogging is about me writing what I write about well, and for various reasons, race just isn’t up there. I went to all sorts of blogs, POC and not, and talked about this. So at this point, I’m basically up a creek on concerns. I’m not going to change what I write about.

That’s not a defense against insensitivity; that’s the foundation of insensitivity. You don’t have anything to add because you don’t hang out at these blogs. You have some control over what you know, remember?

]]> By: FoolishOwl http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11230 FoolishOwl Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:47:59 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11230 Amanda:<blockquote>The very real concern they’ve both voiced explicitly and implicitly is that a particular group of women of color—the women who have explicitly sought help in their struggle against the Taliban’s oppression—is getting brushed aside.</blockquote> RAWA, <a href="http://www.rawa.org/mar8-02en.htm" rel="nofollow">Let Us Struggle Against War and Fundamentalism and for Peace and Democracy!</a><blockquote>RAWA has repeatedly and consistently asserted that under the prevailing circumstances no power except the Afghan people themselves can or will succour them against fundamentalism, and there is no precedent in history wherein a foreign nation or nations who have themselves been patrons and abettors of agents of bondage and fundamentalist affliction have granted liberty to a nation held in thrall by those very same agents. It was for this reason that RAWA persistently called on our people to rise up against the Taliban, the al-Qaeda and other fundamentalists. Such was the precondition for averting the circumstances which have brought about US bombardment and the slaughter of innocent people, and for preventing any group of religious vampires from having a share in power in post-Taliban Afghanistan.</blockquote> RAWA, <a href="http://www.rawa.org/apr28-06_e.htm" rel="nofollow">28th April, Mourning for People - Joy for Fundamentalists!</a><blockquote>Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) has repeatedly mentioned that the freedom and prosperity of our people can only be substantiated by themselves and no xenophilous force or foreign power can be the messenger of peace and security in our country. One must be dedicated wholly with no collaboration and conservativeness. This is the only essential standard for any enthusiastic and honest person or group claiming to be patriotic and freedom loving. Welcome to the feasible anti-fundamentalist uprising of our people! Down with collaborators and xenophiles! Long live freedom, democracy and social justice!</blockquote> RAWA, <a href="http://www.rawa.org/zoya_oct7-06.htm" rel="nofollow">Five Years Later, Afghanistan Still in Flames</a><blockquote>US bombs, B52s and the presence of thousands US troops is not to meant to bring about liberation or establish democracy in our country. The people of the US should know that their troops only serve the strategic interests of the US government and make things worse in Afghanistan. Liberation should be achieved by the people of a country and they must fight for their own liberation. The ongoing developments in Afghanistan and Iraq prove this claim.</blockquote> Amanda:
The very real concern they’ve both voiced explicitly and implicitly is that a particular group of women of color—the women who have explicitly sought help in their struggle against the Taliban’s oppression—is getting brushed aside.

RAWA, Let Us Struggle Against War and Fundamentalism and for Peace and Democracy!

RAWA has repeatedly and consistently asserted that under the prevailing circumstances no power except the Afghan people themselves can or will succour them against fundamentalism, and there is no precedent in history wherein a foreign nation or nations who have themselves been patrons and abettors of agents of bondage and fundamentalist affliction have granted liberty to a nation held in thrall by those very same agents. It was for this reason that RAWA persistently called on our people to rise up against the Taliban, the al-Qaeda and other fundamentalists. Such was the precondition for averting the circumstances which have brought about US bombardment and the slaughter of innocent people, and for preventing any group of religious vampires from having a share in power in post-Taliban Afghanistan.

RAWA, 28th April, Mourning for People – Joy for Fundamentalists!

Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) has repeatedly mentioned that the freedom and prosperity of our people can only be substantiated by themselves and no xenophilous force or foreign power can be the messenger of peace and security in our country. One must be dedicated wholly with no collaboration and conservativeness. This is the only essential standard for any enthusiastic and honest person or group claiming to be patriotic and freedom loving.

Welcome to the feasible anti-fundamentalist uprising of our people!
Down with collaborators and xenophiles!
Long live freedom, democracy and social justice!

RAWA, Five Years Later, Afghanistan Still in Flames

US bombs, B52s and the presence of thousands US troops is not to meant to bring about liberation or establish democracy in our country. The people of the US should know that their troops only serve the strategic interests of the US government and make things worse in Afghanistan. Liberation should be achieved by the people of a country and they must fight for their own liberation. The ongoing developments in Afghanistan and Iraq prove this claim.

]]> By: belledame222 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11229 belledame222 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:22:09 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11229 and for FUCK'S SAKE, people: -how much- of this energy spent on "I AM NOT A RACIST!! I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT!!" could've gone toward, like, -reading- something or someone you didn't already know? Is your ego -really- -that fragile?- Because, you know, if that's your idea of "progressive," I don't think we're gonna get real far, tbh. You know what the devil's greatest trick -really- is? Denial. Unconsciousness. -Willful- unconsciousness. LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR... yeah. okay. and for FUCK’S SAKE, people:

-how much- of this energy spent on “I AM NOT A RACIST!! I’M NOT I’M NOT I’M NOT!!” could’ve gone toward, like, -reading- something or someone you didn’t already know? Is your ego -really- -that fragile?- Because, you know, if that’s your idea of “progressive,” I don’t think we’re gonna get real far, tbh.

You know what the devil’s greatest trick -really- is? Denial. Unconsciousness. -Willful- unconsciousness.

LALALALALA CAN’T HEAR…

yeah. okay.

]]> By: belledame222 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/comment-page-3/#comment-11228 belledame222 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:15:42 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/10/09/the-greatest-trick-the-devil-ever-played-was-making-you-think-he-was-a-lib/#comment-11228 ooh. Am I one of the "three white women?" Or am I one of the "sockpuppets," now? because I gotta tell you, if I have someone's hand up my ass, you'd better believe it's consensual. which, by the way, Amanda, as long as we're throwing in everything but the kitchen sink and completely shooting past the original point anyway: I did not consent to your use of me for that last shitstorm on your blog, either. As in: *used,* as opposed to *engaged.* There is a common thread here: well, two. 1) POC really tired of being alternately ignored, patronized, and treated as screens for mainstream white folks' projections 2) people from various walks of life not particularly enjoying being used as straw-filled trampolines for your own posts, Amanda. And yeah: what BL said wrt Random Bird. Again. You don't like being misrepresented? misread? Misunderstood, seemingly -willfully?- Put in the hot seat and fired at from all sides? How about that. -Other people don't like it either.- So how about, you know, knocking it the fuck off? How about -reading- what other people have to say and just taking five minutes to maybe, you know, -absorb- before running off with it? is that really -so- taxing? ooh. Am I one of the “three white women?” Or am I one of the “sockpuppets,” now?

because I gotta tell you, if I have someone’s hand up my ass, you’d better believe it’s consensual.

which, by the way, Amanda, as long as we’re throwing in everything but the kitchen sink and completely shooting past the original point anyway: I did not consent to your use of me for that last shitstorm on your blog, either. As in: *used,* as opposed to *engaged.*

There is a common thread here: well, two.

1) POC really tired of being alternately ignored, patronized, and treated as screens for mainstream white folks’ projections

2) people from various walks of life not particularly enjoying being used as straw-filled trampolines for your own posts, Amanda. And yeah: what BL said wrt Random Bird. Again.

You don’t like being misrepresented? misread? Misunderstood, seemingly -willfully?- Put in the hot seat and fired at from all sides? How about that. -Other people don’t like it either.-

So how about, you know, knocking it the fuck off? How about -reading- what other people have to say and just taking five minutes to maybe, you know, -absorb- before running off with it? is that really -so- taxing?

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