Comments on: Rape spam leads to secret patriarchy handbook http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:44:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Dykonoclast http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56715 Dykonoclast Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:45:32 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56715 ]]> By: Sera http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56655 Sera Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:04:49 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56655 Belledame, I really don't have time to read your obsessive melodramatic long-ass posts in which you, who are obviously mentally unstable, rationalize your very very stupid, privileged position, but I thought I'd chime in here (since you've made it sort of difficult to contact you via your blog, possibly because other people had the same idea as me) to let you know that you are indeed a horrible horrible person. Yeah, I know I'm trolling and I don't care because you are such a horrible person that all laws of internets-decency have been revoked for anybody dealing with you. But if you really want me to add something "legitimate," here goes: 1. The reason I hate you is that as someone who was a sex-worker, who had assholes like you cheering me on when I was an emotionally damaged teenager to the point where I wasn't even allowed by my closest friends to say I didn't like it when men payed to rape me all day long, I feel that apologists like you directly contributed to the violence that was committed against me on my body. I also feel that the verbal spew you just got all over my new favorite blog will be a small contributing factor to the violence that is committed against all other women who are coerced into making the same bad decisions. 2. Having been a full-service escort, I can tell you that there are far far far far more professional subs than professional dommes because the average hobbyist views and treats every single prostitute he sees as a "sub," whether she is marketing her services that way or not. It's just what he thinks of as sex. I'll be slinking off now. I expect you'll rip me a new one sometime in the next day or so, as you seem more invested in using this thread to promote and apologize for violence against women than most people are in continuing with the discussion, thereby being forced to read and respond to your shlock. Rest assured not only that I won't read it but that if I ever meet a young student from New York who espouses your views I will kick them very very hard on the off-chance that it's you. Whoo, I feel better now. In fact, you could say that post was therapeutic for me. ;-) Note to punkass-mods: I am very very sorry for trolling and totally understand if you want to ban me. I'm not usually like this. She just makes me want to *explode*. Belledame, I really don’t have time to read your obsessive melodramatic long-ass posts in which you, who are obviously mentally unstable, rationalize your very very stupid, privileged position, but I thought I’d chime in here (since you’ve made it sort of difficult to contact you via your blog, possibly because other people had the same idea as me) to let you know that you are indeed a horrible horrible person.

Yeah, I know I’m trolling and I don’t care because you are such a horrible person that all laws of internets-decency have been revoked for anybody dealing with you. But if you really want me to add something “legitimate,” here goes:

1. The reason I hate you is that as someone who was a sex-worker, who had assholes like you cheering me on when I was an emotionally damaged teenager to the point where I wasn’t even allowed by my closest friends to say I didn’t like it when men payed to rape me all day long, I feel that apologists like you directly contributed to the violence that was committed against me on my body. I also feel that the verbal spew you just got all over my new favorite blog will be a small contributing factor to the violence that is committed against all other women who are coerced into making the same bad decisions.

2. Having been a full-service escort, I can tell you that there are far far far far more professional subs than professional dommes because the average hobbyist views and treats every single prostitute he sees as a “sub,” whether she is marketing her services that way or not. It’s just what he thinks of as sex.

I’ll be slinking off now. I expect you’ll rip me a new one sometime in the next day or so, as you seem more invested in using this thread to promote and apologize for violence against women than most people are in continuing with the discussion, thereby being forced to read and respond to your shlock. Rest assured not only that I won’t read it but that if I ever meet a young student from New York who espouses your views I will kick them very very hard on the off-chance that it’s you.

Whoo, I feel better now.

In fact, you could say that post was therapeutic for me. ;-)
Note to punkass-mods: I am very very sorry for trolling and totally understand if you want to ban me. I’m not usually like this. She just makes me want to *explode*.

]]> By: Kyso Kisaen http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56610 Kyso Kisaen Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:20:21 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56610 <i>The actual crime of rape, is intolerable to most viewers of rape porn, and most responsible publishers make it clear they do not condone any such activity. </i> They'd pretty much have to, wouldn't they? I'm sure they are greatly conflicted by the fact that only by selling rape porn can they continue to fund their traveling sexual education and consent awareness activities, free for schools and community events! If only there was a less tawdry way! Or by "not condone" did you mean "put some kind of disclaimer on the DVD to protect them from being sued by the victim's family when that crazy guy, the one we all know is out there, re-enacts his favorite scenes from their impressive video library." In other news, psychic hotlines are for entertainment purposes only, and the oversupply of hydroponics equipment sellers in my area are very pleased that everyone around here is as interested in growing tomatoes as they are. <i>For those who cross this line, we have complex legal systems designed to provide some measure of justice.</i> Which would be great, if it did, but it generally doesn't, so we still have a little problem here. The actual crime of rape, is intolerable to most viewers of rape porn, and most responsible publishers make it clear they do not condone any such activity.

They’d pretty much have to, wouldn’t they? I’m sure they are greatly conflicted by the fact that only by selling rape porn can they continue to fund their traveling sexual education and consent awareness activities, free for schools and community events! If only there was a less tawdry way! Or by “not condone” did you mean “put some kind of disclaimer on the DVD to protect them from being sued by the victim’s family when that crazy guy, the one we all know is out there, re-enacts his favorite scenes from their impressive video library.”

In other news, psychic hotlines are for entertainment purposes only, and the oversupply of hydroponics equipment sellers in my area are very pleased that everyone around here is as interested in growing tomatoes as they are.

For those who cross this line, we have complex legal systems designed to provide some measure of justice.

Which would be great, if it did, but it generally doesn’t, so we still have a little problem here.

]]> By: Joel http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56552 Joel Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:25:36 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-56552 I realize to the outside viewer that "rape porn" and similar depictions of violence may lead one to think that those who view it and enjoy it are actually in favor of rape or violence towards women, or have such viewpoints outside of their sexuality. While this may be true, in some cases, I think it is a rather dim view of how human minds work. People who watch a violent movie (and what USA movie is not violent?) may share a propensity towards killing and fighting, but usually they do not. By the same token, whether it is rape porn, or bondage, when it is done as a form of sexual fantasy and involved willing (often well paid) actors and actresses, it is the domain of free thought. Does it lead to actual rape, violence or sexism? Again perhaps in some. But I suspect the majority of those people who think or act in such a way either had this in them prior to seeking out rape porn, or intentionally used rape porn to propel them in this direction. Many couples share an interest in rape porn, as in fact the fantasy of rape/submission etc. is often as vibrant or stronger in women than in men. In fact some women complain they cannot get their men to act out rape fantasies with them, because the men find it repulsive while they have an interest in it. Does that mean women want or should be raped? Of course not. But does it mean men who fantasize over rape content should be presumed guilty of harboring ill intent or as it is called here: patriarchy? I think a clearer view would be that if rape fantasy remains fantasy, and that all involved in making/selling/subscribing to it maintain the division between fantasy and reality, then it akin to playing video games or watching movies. The fact that the general public, particularly women or victims of actual sexual offenses would find this subject matter and content offensive or disheartening, means only that it should be distributed in a way that respects their right to avoid it. In other words, if a person searches for "nice tits" on Google, links to rape porn should not show up. That is largely a technical issue though, nobody selling rape porn has ever taken the approach of trying to put it out into the mainstream - aside from a rare search engine link showing up under the wrong search it is something you have to choose to view. And you always have the free choice to hit the back button. I for one am thankful that we have free expression to the extent that it allows such diverse views, while rape porn might seem like a strange subject to use as an example of democratic rights... the people who would restrict its production and sale are the same people who are the true patriarchs and is such thinking that has been fought by feminism and by minorities and anyone oppressed over time. The right to judge what is right/wrong is the true cause of saying to a person that their right to select can be compromised, at which point that persons status is lowered and their rights trespassed. Rape porn is no doubt violent, graphic and so on, at the same time it is also symbolic of the downfall of oppressive censorship and prejudice that has often caused the majority of violent towards both men and women. The actual crime of rape, is intolerable to most viewers of rape porn, and most responsible publishers make it clear they do not condone any such activity. For those who cross this line, we have complex legal systems designed to provide some measure of justice. I realize to the outside viewer that “rape porn” and similar depictions of violence may lead one to think that those who view it and enjoy it are actually in favor of rape or violence towards women, or have such viewpoints outside of their sexuality. While this may be true, in some cases, I think it is a rather dim view of how human minds work. People who watch a violent movie (and what USA movie is not violent?) may share a propensity towards killing and fighting, but usually they do not. By the same token, whether it is rape porn, or bondage, when it is done as a form of sexual fantasy and involved willing (often well paid) actors and actresses, it is the domain of free thought. Does it lead to actual rape, violence or sexism? Again perhaps in some. But I suspect the majority of those people who think or act in such a way either had this in them prior to seeking out rape porn, or intentionally used rape porn to propel them in this direction. Many couples share an interest in rape porn, as in fact the fantasy of rape/submission etc. is often as vibrant or stronger in women than in men. In fact some women complain they cannot get their men to act out rape fantasies with them, because the men find it repulsive while they have an interest in it. Does that mean women want or should be raped? Of course not. But does it mean men who fantasize over rape content should be presumed guilty of harboring ill intent or as it is called here: patriarchy? I think a clearer view would be that if rape fantasy remains fantasy, and that all involved in making/selling/subscribing to it maintain the division between fantasy and reality, then it akin to playing video games or watching movies. The fact that the general public, particularly women or victims of actual sexual offenses would find this subject matter and content offensive or disheartening, means only that it should be distributed in a way that respects their right to avoid it. In other words, if a person searches for “nice tits” on Google, links to rape porn should not show up. That is largely a technical issue though, nobody selling rape porn has ever taken the approach of trying to put it out into the mainstream - aside from a rare search engine link showing up under the wrong search it is something you have to choose to view. And you always have the free choice to hit the back button. I for one am thankful that we have free expression to the extent that it allows such diverse views, while rape porn might seem like a strange subject to use as an example of democratic rights… the people who would restrict its production and sale are the same people who are the true patriarchs and is such thinking that has been fought by feminism and by minorities and anyone oppressed over time. The right to judge what is right/wrong is the true cause of saying to a person that their right to select can be compromised, at which point that persons status is lowered and their rights trespassed. Rape porn is no doubt violent, graphic and so on, at the same time it is also symbolic of the downfall of oppressive censorship and prejudice that has often caused the majority of violent towards both men and women. The actual crime of rape, is intolerable to most viewers of rape porn, and most responsible publishers make it clear they do not condone any such activity. For those who cross this line, we have complex legal systems designed to provide some measure of justice.

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]]> By: Feministe » Why So Snippy http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-17807 Feministe » Why So Snippy Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:45:18 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-17807 [...] And lest I give the impression that I’m only complaining about people on the basement level, look at Marc’s brilliant analysis of porn marketed to and consumed by gay men: Don’t want to play along? Well, if you’re a woman, I think you get the idea. If you’re a man, don’t think you’ll get off easy with a raping of your woman. You pussyboys are also on the hitlist via GayViolence: Swallowing, sucking and sticking down in the dirt is what these pussyboys want. It’s the base desire to be fucked like a woman at the hands of a violent virile stud who has no regard for the laws of man or even simple, common decency! 6) Fuck common decency. Right in its tight, bruised asshole. [...] [...] And lest I give the impression that I’m only complaining about people on the basement level, look at Marc’s brilliant analysis of porn marketed to and consumed by gay men: Don’t want to play along? Well, if you’re a woman, I think you get the idea. If you’re a man, don’t think you’ll get off easy with a raping of your woman. You pussyboys are also on the hitlist via GayViolence: Swallowing, sucking and sticking down in the dirt is what these pussyboys want. It’s the base desire to be fucked like a woman at the hands of a violent virile stud who has no regard for the laws of man or even simple, common decency! 6) Fuck common decency. Right in its tight, bruised asshole. [...]

]]> By: The Wo! Front » Blogworld http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-12030 The Wo! Front » Blogworld Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:22:26 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-12030 [...] [Update] And also here’s a post from PunkAss Mark about rape porn aka the “secret patriarchy handbook” [Trigger warning] [...] [...] [Update] And also here’s a post from PunkAss Mark about rape porn aka the “secret patriarchy handbook” [Trigger warning] [...]

]]> By: belledame222 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9999 belledame222 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:51:00 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9999 p.p.s. you know: i wasn't going to say anything, truly. I thought, bury the hatchet and let it go, finally, and hell, y'all've got enough on your plate with the whole, 'fuck, people of color are kind of pissed at us." and you know, i have mixed feelings at best about REPRESENTING. but as long as we're here. Amanda? Marc? Some other people? There is a common denominator between Bitch Lab and piny and me and some of the other people (RKB, for instance) who have continually rubbed you the wrong way in these-type discussions. Can you guess what that is? Think carefully. hint: it has to do with the general theme of "actually, we do NOT all come from the same experiences or even share the same...oppressions, what you will. And you aren't paying attention, except when it suits your own needs" hint 2: starts with a "q" and ends with an "r." p.p.s. you know: i wasn’t going to say anything, truly. I thought, bury the hatchet and let it go, finally, and hell, y’all’ve got enough on your plate with the whole, ‘fuck, people of color are kind of pissed at us.”

and you know, i have mixed feelings at best about REPRESENTING.

but as long as we’re here. Amanda? Marc? Some other people? There is a common denominator between Bitch Lab and piny and me and some of the other people (RKB, for instance) who have continually rubbed you the wrong way in these-type discussions. Can you guess what that is? Think carefully.

hint: it has to do with the general theme of “actually, we do NOT all come from the same experiences or even share the same…oppressions, what you will. And you aren’t paying attention, except when it suits your own needs”

hint 2: starts with a “q” and ends with an “r.”

]]> By: belledame222 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9992 belledame222 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:36:33 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9992 p.s. just for future reference: Amanda, the bit you quoted in that wormy post of yours was not from a "rant." THAT, just now, was a rant. Thank you. p.s. just for future reference: Amanda, the bit you quoted in that wormy post of yours was not from a “rant.” THAT, just now, was a rant. Thank you.

]]> By: belledame222 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9991 belledame222 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:32:33 +0000 http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/28/rape-spam-leads-to-secret-patriarchy-handbook/#comment-9991 eternal gratuitously nasty RADICAL FEMINIST harassers, I should say, is the problem. because Pony is a Radical Feminist (tm), and clearly the only reason she went to Renegade's blog and called her ugly -and- here attempted to derail (yes) the discussion by insinuating that she, Pony, was right all along and RE -was- a bad bad enabler of the nasssty rape porn and the only reason she, RE, had been here before was to troll for more menz for her evil trade, which means Pony was -right- to try to get her thrown out, even as is Gayle doing to me right here; but she only did it, Pony, Because She Cares So Much. and is the only reason i entered into this godforsaken thread in the first place, because, once again: supremely pissed. which must mean that i hate radical feminists and am out to Destroy Them All. clearly. especially since as long as i'm here and am aware that -other- people i care about have legitimate beefs with the thread as set up, i'll try to address it and bring some context wrt some of the shit i've been reading lately. silly me. RAPE APOLOGIST! CONCERN TROLL!! right. not that the truly radical are happy with the way things are run here -either,- but at least they were starting to be on the right track, dammit, with gasp horror ain't it awful my god I SEE IT NOW, I SEE THE LIGHT!!! PUNISH THEM! PUNISH THEM ALL!11! uh, not really sure HOW, but...YEAH!!! GRRR! SPIT!! sucks when people get in the way of that, i realize. and i mean, it's not like there's anywhere ELSE on the Web where people can huddle together and Blame. eternally. and of course, clearly, anyone who suggests that, y'know, there might actually be other angles to this has NEVER CONSIDERED ANY OF THIS BEFORE, NO, and/or finds it -threatening.- Which, well, of course! I am deeply threatened by the suggestion that lipstick and high heels and rape porn might be sexist! Can't bear to give them up! Can't HANDLE THE TRUTH that this is a Fallen Creation, and even if i don't like -those- things, whatever i might like is -tainted.- By (drumroll) the Patirarchy. well, fuck! My preconceptions! My preconceptions! My good standing at the Male Enabling Patriarchy Fuckers Club! Curses! Almost foiled again! because clearly we are -all coming from exactly the same place,- are capital w-Women. Yes! Coddling! I love coddling men! Almost as good as soft-boiling! and i have NEVER READ OR EVEN HEARD ANY OF THIS THEORY BEFORE! how else to -possibly- explain my willful obstinancy? How? eternal gratuitously nasty RADICAL FEMINIST harassers, I should say, is the problem. because Pony is a Radical Feminist ™, and clearly the only reason she went to Renegade’s blog and called her ugly -and- here attempted to derail (yes) the discussion by insinuating that she, Pony, was right all along and RE -was- a bad bad enabler of the nasssty rape porn and the only reason she, RE, had been here before was to troll for more menz for her evil trade, which means Pony was -right- to try to get her thrown out, even as is Gayle doing to me right here; but she only did it, Pony, Because She Cares So Much.

and is the only reason i entered into this godforsaken thread in the first place, because, once again: supremely pissed.

which must mean that i hate radical feminists and am out to Destroy Them All. clearly.

especially since as long as i’m here and am aware that -other- people i care about have legitimate beefs with the thread as set up, i’ll try to address it and bring some context wrt some of the shit i’ve been reading lately.

silly me. RAPE APOLOGIST! CONCERN TROLL!!

right.

not that the truly radical are happy with the way things are run here -either,- but at least they were starting to be on the right track, dammit, with gasp horror ain’t it awful my god I SEE IT NOW, I SEE THE LIGHT!!! PUNISH THEM! PUNISH THEM ALL!11! uh, not really sure HOW, but…YEAH!!! GRRR! SPIT!!

sucks when people get in the way of that, i realize. and i mean, it’s not like there’s anywhere ELSE on the Web where people can huddle together and Blame. eternally.

and of course, clearly, anyone who suggests that, y’know, there might actually be other angles to this has NEVER CONSIDERED ANY OF THIS BEFORE, NO, and/or finds it -threatening.- Which, well, of course! I am deeply threatened by the suggestion that lipstick and high heels and rape porn might be sexist! Can’t bear to give them up! Can’t HANDLE THE TRUTH that this is a Fallen Creation, and even if i don’t like -those- things, whatever i might like is -tainted.- By (drumroll) the Patirarchy. well, fuck! My preconceptions! My preconceptions! My good standing at the Male Enabling Patriarchy Fuckers Club! Curses! Almost foiled again!

because clearly we are -all coming from exactly the same place,- are capital w-Women. Yes! Coddling! I love coddling men! Almost as good as soft-boiling!

and i have NEVER READ OR EVEN HEARD ANY OF THIS THEORY BEFORE!

how else to -possibly- explain my willful obstinancy? How?

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