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		<title>By: Bitch &#124; Lab &#187; Must read: Dark Sun on Clinton lunch fiasco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitch &#124; Lab &#187; Must read: Dark Sun on Clinton lunch fiasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Go read Rmildred&#8217;s wonderful post on the topic.  People who get on a high horse and think it&#8217;s because they are so great are just plain clueless as to the world around them. When they and others ignore the fact that they had a lot of help getting there, I&#8217;m even more disgusted. The myth of meritocracy drives a lot of the ideological blindness among white people in this country. It is a dynamic that underpins, at its core, racism. Hamsher and others who pretend that they didn&#8217;t have money, or friends in high places, or even the fucking cachet of being someone with a career and rep from Hollywood peddle an ideology that ultimately fucks over a lot of other people in the process. That&#8217;s where the &#8216;isms&#8217; lie, in the end, and they won&#8217;t go away, they&#8217;ll just take on new forms that none of us see, until we get at that problem: the scarcity problem that&#8217;s built into our economy and society from the get go. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: Go read Rmildred&#8217;s wonderful post on the topic.  People who get on a high horse and think it&#8217;s because they are so great are just plain clueless as to the world around them. When they and others ignore the fact that they had a lot of help getting there, I&#8217;m even more disgusted. The myth of meritocracy drives a lot of the ideological blindness among white people in this country. It is a dynamic that underpins, at its core, racism. Hamsher and others who pretend that they didn&#8217;t have money, or friends in high places, or even the fucking cachet of being someone with a career and rep from Hollywood peddle an ideology that ultimately fucks over a lot of other people in the process. That&#8217;s where the &#8216;isms&#8217; lie, in the end, and they won&#8217;t go away, they&#8217;ll just take on new forms that none of us see, until we get at that problem: the scarcity problem that&#8217;s built into our economy and society from the get go. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Ah yes, widespread misinterpretation. Clearly, when one is being a racist ass, the problem is all the people misinterpreting it.&gt;

&quot;If you&#039;re walking down the street and someone kicks you, they have a problem.  If you&#039;re walking down the street and -everyone- kicks you, -you- have a problem.&quot;

--author unknown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Ah yes, widespread misinterpretation. Clearly, when one is being a racist ass, the problem is all the people misinterpreting it.&gt;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re walking down the street and someone kicks you, they have a problem.  If you&#8217;re walking down the street and -everyone- kicks you, -you- have a problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;author unknown</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, pretty classic, innit?</description>
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		<title>By: Sunrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry -- I meant to add one more thing.  TRex showed up in the comments at Republic of T (and Terrance&#039;s approach certainly was about as Buddhist as one could be!) and sniped at him for being a whiner as well.  Apparently Terrance and TRex are personally aquainted from college or some such. 

Its classic bully stuff.  Call people who object to abusive behavior whiners and girlie men and pussies.  So it seems that being gay hasn&#039;t prevented TRex from developing some extremely misogynistic attitudes re: the feminine dimension of life (be tough, don&#039;t whine, be a man, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8212; I meant to add one more thing.  TRex showed up in the comments at Republic of T (and Terrance&#8217;s approach certainly was about as Buddhist as one could be!) and sniped at him for being a whiner as well.  Apparently Terrance and TRex are personally aquainted from college or some such. </p>
<p>Its classic bully stuff.  Call people who object to abusive behavior whiners and girlie men and pussies.  So it seems that being gay hasn&#8217;t prevented TRex from developing some extremely misogynistic attitudes re: the feminine dimension of life (be tough, don&#8217;t whine, be a man, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Sunrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the kind of thing that emerged from TRex&#039;s keyboard a couple weeks ago springs from a vacumn (I thinking of that Senator who thought the internet runs on vacumn tubes!).  If he is &quot;suddenly&quot; revealed to be an ass, now (and at his age) then he has always been one, which is likely part of why he has become so integral to FDL.  It was there (in both he and Hamsher and I am beginning to suspect Pachacutec - in spite of his gay half-latino, but looks white [as he himself has put it] ass.  Just read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydd.com/comments/2006/9/19/155210/207/61#61&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rovian whisper campaign&lt;/a&gt; that he tried to launch agains Liza at MyDD) all the time.  Just not really noticed.  

It is human nature to overlook flaws in those with whom we feel some sympathy --ie, they are on &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; side and we would be sabotaging them/ourselves/our relationship to call them out.  We do it with friends and family and bosses and co-workers and neighbors all the time.  We have to in order to be bearable, in order to bear them.   So we go into &quot;don&#039;t nitpick,&quot;  &quot;don&#039;t be too critical,&quot; mode and we end up not seeing the pattern.  BAnd up until the Liza, Liza, Liza moment, it was easier to over look the very clear pattern which was forming behind all the &quot;good works&quot; (fundie churches do a lot of good work too, btw, they raise money and fund this and thay, they take care of their own).  I mean what is not to hate about the likes of Kate O&#039;Beirne and Michelle Malkin and  John Yoo.  (I don&#039;t get the anomosity toward Ana Marie-Cox, but then she was never on my radar, but from what I do know, it seems like there is more than a little projection at play on Hamsher&#039;s part.)  But if you go back and read some of the stuff that most people basically skimmed more carefully (and that is one of the problems with reading on a screen, we don&#039;t read attentively anymore), you will see that it was always there.  Like the cute little bunny rabbit who is really the fierce old lady in a hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the kind of thing that emerged from TRex&#8217;s keyboard a couple weeks ago springs from a vacumn (I thinking of that Senator who thought the internet runs on vacumn tubes!).  If he is &#8220;suddenly&#8221; revealed to be an ass, now (and at his age) then he has always been one, which is likely part of why he has become so integral to FDL.  It was there (in both he and Hamsher and I am beginning to suspect Pachacutec &#8211; in spite of his gay half-latino, but looks white [as he himself has put it] ass.  Just read the <a href="http://www.mydd.com/comments/2006/9/19/155210/207/61#61" rel="nofollow">Rovian whisper campaign</a> that he tried to launch agains Liza at MyDD) all the time.  Just not really noticed.  </p>
<p>It is human nature to overlook flaws in those with whom we feel some sympathy &#8211;ie, they are on <i>our</i> side and we would be sabotaging them/ourselves/our relationship to call them out.  We do it with friends and family and bosses and co-workers and neighbors all the time.  We have to in order to be bearable, in order to bear them.   So we go into &#8220;don&#8217;t nitpick,&#8221;  &#8220;don&#8217;t be too critical,&#8221; mode and we end up not seeing the pattern.  BAnd up until the Liza, Liza, Liza moment, it was easier to over look the very clear pattern which was forming behind all the &#8220;good works&#8221; (fundie churches do a lot of good work too, btw, they raise money and fund this and thay, they take care of their own).  I mean what is not to hate about the likes of Kate O&#8217;Beirne and Michelle Malkin and  John Yoo.  (I don&#8217;t get the anomosity toward Ana Marie-Cox, but then she was never on my radar, but from what I do know, it seems like there is more than a little projection at play on Hamsher&#8217;s part.)  But if you go back and read some of the stuff that most people basically skimmed more carefully (and that is one of the problems with reading on a screen, we don&#8217;t read attentively anymore), you will see that it was always there.  Like the cute little bunny rabbit who is really the fierce old lady in a hat.</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was he this much of an ass before he started writing for FDL?  I could&#039;ve sworn i liked him back when i was only reading him at Shakes Sis.  then again, i expect this particular situation probably hadn&#039;t come up; people don&#039;t suddenly start talking about &quot;your betters&quot; out of a clear blue sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was he this much of an ass before he started writing for FDL?  I could&#8217;ve sworn i liked him back when i was only reading him at Shakes Sis.  then again, i expect this particular situation probably hadn&#8217;t come up; people don&#8217;t suddenly start talking about &#8220;your betters&#8221; out of a clear blue sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher: The Left&#8217;s Answer to Ann Coulter? &#171; Dark Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher: The Left&#8217;s Answer to Ann Coulter? &#171; Dark Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Punkblog.com: 10 ThingsI Have Learned in the Past Few Hours (In No Particular Order) at Punk [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The state of feminism at PunkAssBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The state of feminism at PunkAssBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No no no, I have no intention of delivering a national address on the subject, but a comment on the TRex meltdown that R Mildred discussed really through me for a loop: One need look no further than the cracks about blond hair and tits from self-described “feminists” to see the reason for the sad state of feminism in this country today. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No no no, I have no intention of delivering a national address on the subject, but a comment on the TRex meltdown that R Mildred discussed really through me for a loop: One need look no further than the cracks about blond hair and tits from self-described “feminists” to see the reason for the sad state of feminism in this country today. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Esme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His update is by far the worst part for me. If you say something obscenely racist, and people call you on it, the fault is not THEIR&#039;S. This reminds me far too much of the conservatives who seek to silence all dissent, particularly in the media. If a newspaper reveals that we&#039;re waterboarding people, then the problem isn&#039;t that our country is waterboarding people, but that the media talks about it. Likewise, the problem with people calling you on your racist shit is that they dared to mention it.

&lt;i&gt;UPDATE: Okay, let’s get something straight here.  By using the word &quot;betters&quot;, I meant people who are more talented than Liza, and they are legion.  If you’ve decided that there’s racial baggage in that statement, it says a lot more about your issues than mine.&lt;/i&gt;

Ah yes, because there&#039;s NO racial baggage to telling a woman and a person of color not to get uppity towards their betters. The same way that calling someone &quot;maccaca&quot; has no racial baggage to it, because I mean, it just means monkey, and any racial baggage to that is what you give to it. You know, I kind of wonder if he&#039;d get offended if I called him a honky cracker. I mean, those words don&#039;t really MEAN anything. If he gets offended, he really ought to learn not to bring his issues into things like that.

&lt;i&gt;The really sad thing about this is that there was an opportunity here to address some really important points, but that opportunity has flown as an army of shameless attention-whores have jumped on the bandwagon and attempted to get their licks in.&lt;/i&gt;

Ah yes. Damn those bloggers of color calling out racism when they see it! And here we white people had this amazing chance to discuss the topic until the damned attention-whores jumped in by making incisive points from a perspective that, I dunno, actually understands racism. Those bastards. Look at me! Look at me!

&lt;i&gt;I have now said absolutely everything I intend to say about the topic. Thank you for your time.&lt;/i&gt;

Well at least that&#039;s done.

&lt;i&gt;UPDATE 2&lt;/i&gt;

Goddamn it.

&lt;i&gt;Due to widespread misinterpretation, the word &quot;betters&quot; has been struck from this post&lt;/i&gt;

Ah yes, widespread misinterpretation. Clearly, when one is being a racist ass, the problem is all the people misinterpreting it. What he actually meant was that he&#039;s sorry he called a woman of color inferior for daring to call out racism, and he apologizes for then ignoring the content of her post to complain about her spelling. 
&lt;i&gt;and replaced with something that more accurately conveys my authorial intent&lt;/i&gt;

Certainly the apology is about to come rolling in wherein he acknowledges that he was in the wrong, and Liza is a better person than he, since Liza is not a racist gasbag. Right?

&lt;i&gt;Please.  Stop.  Whining.&lt;/I&gt;

Jesus. H. Christ. On. A. Pogo. Stick. *facepalm* After about a page of whining that he got called a racist, calling anyone who dares to criticize him attention whores, and calling people of color racists because they prefer content to extensive spellchecking as the measure of good writing, he has now told people of color to stop &quot;whining.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His update is by far the worst part for me. If you say something obscenely racist, and people call you on it, the fault is not THEIR&#8217;S. This reminds me far too much of the conservatives who seek to silence all dissent, particularly in the media. If a newspaper reveals that we&#8217;re waterboarding people, then the problem isn&#8217;t that our country is waterboarding people, but that the media talks about it. Likewise, the problem with people calling you on your racist shit is that they dared to mention it.</p>
<p><i>UPDATE: Okay, let’s get something straight here.  By using the word &#8220;betters&#8221;, I meant people who are more talented than Liza, and they are legion.  If you’ve decided that there’s racial baggage in that statement, it says a lot more about your issues than mine.</i></p>
<p>Ah yes, because there&#8217;s NO racial baggage to telling a woman and a person of color not to get uppity towards their betters. The same way that calling someone &#8220;maccaca&#8221; has no racial baggage to it, because I mean, it just means monkey, and any racial baggage to that is what you give to it. You know, I kind of wonder if he&#8217;d get offended if I called him a honky cracker. I mean, those words don&#8217;t really MEAN anything. If he gets offended, he really ought to learn not to bring his issues into things like that.</p>
<p><i>The really sad thing about this is that there was an opportunity here to address some really important points, but that opportunity has flown as an army of shameless attention-whores have jumped on the bandwagon and attempted to get their licks in.</i></p>
<p>Ah yes. Damn those bloggers of color calling out racism when they see it! And here we white people had this amazing chance to discuss the topic until the damned attention-whores jumped in by making incisive points from a perspective that, I dunno, actually understands racism. Those bastards. Look at me! Look at me!</p>
<p><i>I have now said absolutely everything I intend to say about the topic. Thank you for your time.</i></p>
<p>Well at least that&#8217;s done.</p>
<p><i>UPDATE 2</i></p>
<p>Goddamn it.</p>
<p><i>Due to widespread misinterpretation, the word &#8220;betters&#8221; has been struck from this post</i></p>
<p>Ah yes, widespread misinterpretation. Clearly, when one is being a racist ass, the problem is all the people misinterpreting it. What he actually meant was that he&#8217;s sorry he called a woman of color inferior for daring to call out racism, and he apologizes for then ignoring the content of her post to complain about her spelling.<br />
<i>and replaced with something that more accurately conveys my authorial intent</i></p>
<p>Certainly the apology is about to come rolling in wherein he acknowledges that he was in the wrong, and Liza is a better person than he, since Liza is not a racist gasbag. Right?</p>
<p><i>Please.  Stop.  Whining.</i></p>
<p>Jesus. H. Christ. On. A. Pogo. Stick. *facepalm* After about a page of whining that he got called a racist, calling anyone who dares to criticize him attention whores, and calling people of color racists because they prefer content to extensive spellchecking as the measure of good writing, he has now told people of color to stop &#8220;whining.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It works for me, but it&#039;s slow.</description>
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