But Brain, where can we get meat hooks and a gaggle of sadistic children at this time of night?
21 Comments Published by R. Mildred August 8th, 2006 in Al Gore Cares About You, Filtered Propaganda, Looks like someone needs an intervention, Mutterings Of The Disturbed, Purposefully InflammatoryLieberman needs to be destroyed, taken down, have his ears nailed shut if needs be and driven from the dems, from any possible chance of having some influence over progresive politics.
And do you know why?
Because he’s an evil assbag of the first order, that’s why.
We know this from a simple examination of his actions, and from that examination we can ascertain one of two pictures of this man who’s called “joe Lieberman”.
The first picture is of a man with no moral conscience at all, but a huge propensity towards greed, he’ll take any policy that gives him more power, no matter how many people will die becasue of this.
The second picture is of an evil person, a person who has a moral conscience, but hates POC, women and the poor so much that he actively enjoys screwing them over and supporting things that will bascially lead to them dying by the thousands.
Either way we’re talking about an evil evil person.
And so I have to disagree with Marc, we can’t fuck around thinking about, “well if this happens then he won’t want to play on our side anymore”, what do we do with evil people?
We string their mutilated corpses from meat hooks and let local children play with them, as a warning to the next generation of what happens to evil people.
And we keep doing this, generation after generation if neccesary, until the message gets passed along that Evil is not acceptable behavior, that screwing us over will not stand without us hanging you from meat hooks from our town squares in retaliation.
You certainly don’t talk about reconciliation.
Now usually, when I or someone else says something like that, terms like “absolutist” and “perfectionist” start getting thrown around, fortunately I’m getting used to internet buffoons flinging random labels around like they mean something.
Of course, the point is not that we can’t in anyway show common cause with rightwing politicians, or we should tear lieberman a new one as hard as possible, due to some overriding urge to be morally pure in all this (though as moral purity tends to go along with doing the right thing, it’s not exactly a bad reason you fuckwits), no.
The reason why Firedoglake hasn’t gone nearly far enough in trashing and demonizing lieberman is a strictly tactical and strategic thing, and an honesty thing.
What, pray tell, do you think Lieberman will do once he’s no longer actively threatened and after he “reconciles” with progressives?
He’s gonna turn on us and faster than you can say “well that was a waste of time” we’ll be back in this very position again, except Liebermann will be in an even more powerful and harder to assail position.
And we still get boned in the process.
And in politics, image and character is all a politician has got, so let’s not pussy-foot around, let’s not beat bushes people, putting lieberman in black face?
To accurately do lieberman’s character justice, you’d have to go past mere blackface, if it was possible to portray joe lieberman, in blackface, raping a baby, you’d be closer, and if it was then possible, through magic or quantums that have had their field harmonics seriously modulated, to portray blackfaced joe lieberman, raping this baby, for many many years until it grows into a young lesbian who blackfaced joe lieberman then gets pregnant and forces to give birth to his rapebaby against her will, at which point this wonderful 4 dimensional photoshop would show blackfaced joe lieberman eating the young lesbian (with mayo and marmite and other icky flavorings, eww) and proceeds to start the cycle all over agian with the newborn.
Well then, and only then, would you even really begin to depict Joe Lieberman’s character.
And the funny thing is that some of you think I’m engaging in diabolically over the top hyperbole.
Sadly, no.
You see, waht people forget with teh term “pro-war” is that it’s a euphamism, a euphamism for “pro-mass murder, napalming of babies, torture, rape, mutilation and victimisation of defenceless innocents in the name of turning a profit for oil companies and using racist politics to grab for power”.
Even if he wasn’t already pro-forced pregnancy and pro-legalised discrimination of minority groups, this white man is still, clearly and objectively speaking, the devil because he’s pro-war, with everything that entails.
Now don’t get me wrong, I know that John Kerry is also a devil by that rationale, that’s why I use it, me and everyone else who voted for Kerry voted for a war criminal who was boldly boasting about how he would have enabled the repugs in their murderous schemes knowing that there was no WMD in Iraq.
A supposedly remoseful war criminal of all people should know what happens when America goes to war, should know that we never drop napalm on our enemies but always on the families of the people who are going to be our enemies pretty damn quickly – because we just dropped napalm on their children dumbass!
Of course, John Kerry wasn’t for forced pregnancies as well.
And when John Kerry is your moral superior, you know you don’t really need anyone’s help being demonised.
Now I haven’t actually seen the blackface picture yet, and I’ll try not to so I don’t end up defending it from it’s many critics who, like most things I seem to defend these days, are generally only criticising so as to present an image to the world that they’re really self-rigtheous and moral.
Now does “self-righteous and moral” sound like Jesse malkin, known fake-token minority cyber-transvestite? I think not. This is a man who pulled out a racial slurr that was posted by a commenter on some blog somewhere as an intentionally satirical take off of rightwing racists, and used it in a book to show how deranged and racist left wingers are, this he does in a blogosphere that is literally overflowing with ping-pong ball jokes. A man in a bad black wig is already on the verge of farce but still, he certainly took a leap there.
Which why I think it’s probably best if I wait until something a bit more substantial than the crazed babbling of LGFers and Jesse Malkin is produced before I deign to pass any sort of judgement, like say when an actual Person Of Color says it’s racist or something.
But even without seeing it, I can say this much: Regardless of whether the picture itself is bad in some way, the sentiment is all good, if joe lieberman isn’t a name that inspires in your mind a burning hatred then let me just remind you of this; he’s pro-baby napalming.
And not just any babies either, foreign babies, exclusively arab babies in fact, babies that, if they hadn’t been burned alive, until there was noting left but caramalized baby bones, by napalm dropped from US airforce jets in the name of lieberman and kerry and bush and all the rest of the pigfucking goatmolesters who started this war for no reason that makes even a lick of sense – apart from the whole blood for oil thingie which no one in their right political mind admits to believing – would be saying their first words in the semitic language of Arabic by now.
Hmm, do you know what? I can’t seem to care too much about a possibly racist picture being thrown at a definitly anti-semitic mass murdering, rape and torture enabling power-monger*, I just can’t.
Call me apathetic if you will, meh.
Oh, sorry, went off on a tangent there, any way, to get bak to a point, not neccesarily The point of course…
Another thing Marc is some what wrong about is that we need to react or care about possible backlashes – there’s always going to be a backlash, whether we demonise lieberman totally, or not at all, and the backlash will be just the same – it’s what the right wing does, react consistently to any and all stimulus, muslim marriage is destroyign America! Gay terrorists are destroying America! Disagreeing with me in any way is destroying America!
Now in light of that little point, there is only one way ot treat a backlash, that’s by first of ignoring the damn thing when you’re not mocking the damn, and to do the right thing regardless of what asinine babble your opponents (the democrats in this case) will throw at.
What’s the right thing? destroying Lieberman utterly with everything we’ve got and some things we had ot invent specially for this magical occasion.
The dems will try to head further right regardless of what happens in the lieberman/lamont thing, so we can’t wring our hands and umm and err trying to placate them, Marc set out what their arguement is going to be, because they’re predicatable idiots to a man (especially sHillary), and so we’ll have to just knock the shit out of it when we come to it, and I do hope you’ll all not follow neil and vote for right wingers with a D in frotn of your name, crucifying (now wouldn’t that get the freepers all hot and heavy for him, eh?) Joe Leiberman to show the rest of the tightie righties that their crap ain’t welcome is but the thin end of a wedge in which sane voters don’t put right wing dems into positions where their right wing politics would further aid the gradual destruction of progressive politics if they have any sort of option, like going out drinkle with friends or washing your hair – because at least if you spend november washing your hair rather than voting for right wing asbags your soul won’t get dirty.
Marc talks about short term and long term politics, but when I think of long term political goals I think of the gradual process of weaning progressive activists and groups away from the opium laced teat of the democratic party so that you don’t have travesties like NARAL supporting leiberman (you have all got in contact with them to complain right? I did right after my abortion, and Wonkette assures me that’s impossible so you have no excuse, phone, write, whine your head off to stop them supporting the baby napalmer, and whine now dammit.
That’s what long term means to me anyway, getting progressive politics away from the duopoly which has been intentionally trying to kill it since the dems were forced by them to give blacks and women equal rights under law. they’ve never forgotten and they can carry grudge like camels carry water. And once progressive.
and when I say “progressive activists, I mean the blogosphere as well, we’re new but we can weild some power if we’re used right – as part of a wider left wing activist culture – and it is pretty much party conncetions that is holding us back atm, forcing us to support things as part of some wanky system of compromises and power grabs that suit the dems and repugs, that’s those bloggers who aren’t directly paid to shill by the duopoly of course, when the point of blogs is that we can throw those sorts of bullshit handicaps right out and get straight to the truth to power without worrying about editors and writing popular to make money rather than writing truthully to help the activists.
Despite the fact that I just read a gaiman novel in which a side character had a blog (Squee!), blogs are far from having made it yet, we’re still growing, and what we’ll look like when we’re fully grown will be decided in the next few years if even that.
and speaking of paid for shills…
Marc doesn’t say it outright, but it’s sort of implied that Kosimandius hates Joe Lieberman because Joe’s a fucking asshole.
This is not so.
The only reason Joe Lieberman isn’t called Joe “why does this centrist blogger keep sucking my cock?” Lieberman is becasue Joey disswed blogs, and as Kosimandius is the only blogger in existence, this counts as a terrible slurs against Kosimandius’ honor! That Lieberman is an evil scum bag for, I repeat, is in favor of random babies being burned to death with napalm is irrelevent to Kosimandius, who being the king of kings is above such petty thigns as “morality” and “right and wrong”, it’s the insulting the blogosphere that earned Joe a lifelong enemy. Which is pretty much the sort of sociopathic thinking that makes Kosimandius such darling in right blogistan’s eye
And what did Joe expect from The King of Kings after that, except the most violent and hateful vitriol his boney little arms could muster, huh?
Which is the other thing about kosimandius that, again does say outright but it’s sort of implied, needs correcting – he’s not holding back teh insults becasue he’s some cunning political opreator, any scenario in which the fact that Kosimanidus is a mouth breathing chin dribbler isn’t taken into account is going to be wrong from the outset. No, what’s happened here is that, on the one hand, Kosimandius is just too stupid to think up anything more vicious than what he is coming out with, and on the other hand, is afraid that he might piss of his bosses and benefactors in the DLC who, much to Kosimandius’ tastebuds’ chagrin, don’t wash their cocks particularly often (and certainly not with water and soap).
And while we should all tremble upon looking at his mighty works, Kosimandius is first and foremost a total pisswaste coward when all is said and done, the only reason he’s not The Yellow Streaky Goblin is because of the blood, that’s on his hands for being quite probably the last blogger in left blogistan to jump on the anti-war bandwagon, has intermingled with the stains he leaves everywhere he goes and formed the bad color motif we are familiar with today.
Kos is of course a total halfwit, it’s the closest thing he has to a non-obnoxious personality trait, he believes that the current power players in politics will gladly give him power if he just deepthroats them hard enough. In reality, they will of course, drop his sorry ass as soon as it seems that the dems don’t need him for anything anymore. He is arm candy for the Big Dem Politco Jocks who, despite his talk about getting married to the dems after graduation, will dump him like a wet sack of sand the first chance they get.
This is of course, precisely what they’ll also do to everyone else that tries to latch onto them. It’s part of their nature.
And of course, the reason why everyone thinks they should try to latch onto the dems is because progressive are remarkably powerless right now, we neeed power and leverage, the only thing is, we need to have power and leverage tommorow, next week, a year from now, 5 years from now, people like joe lieberman, irregardless of their precise political position in the great duopoly partisanship games, are trying to take away my right to have an abortion, they’re keeping my friends from being able to marry, they’ve sat by, when they haven’t actively helped, the gradual erosion of rights of everyone but the the richest of the rich who buy their own protection from the law anyway. We’re talking about the gradual erosion of habeas corpus, basic legal rights to a fair trial are being eroded away because people in this country have been trying to ally themselves with joe liebermans for short term power that erodes away in the wind the moment we the people need it.
Maybe this is something only women’ll understand for now, men haven’t had their won Alito hearings in which a democratic party, whcih could have, if it’d wanted to, filibusted and not rubberstamped an amoral bush admin toady, so that now we have to hope that one of the “liberal” Supremes doesn’t pull another Gore Vs. Bush out of their asses when the SD challenge to roe Vs. Wade rolls around, and national abortion rights are trhown out the window nad thousands of women start dying every year because self centered men thought that, of course, they can outsmart and control the DINOs and LIebemans.
Let me just fucking remind you of this, our lives are not yours to fuck around with, the dems are, by not excommunicating, or whatever the equivalaent is, Liebermans from the democratic party, alienating progressive voters who are most at risk because the dems can’t fight for our rights, and we will fuck off.
And in case anyone is unaware of this tiny fact, only 60% of those who are legally allowed to vote voted in 2004, that means that the 50/51 win the repugs whipped out was comprised of a mere 30% of the voting population, which is hugely unrepresentative of anythign, let alone the country as a whole.
And the nebulous fencesitting entities do not exist, you win elections by making sure less of your opponent’s supporters show up or are able to vote than yours, the fence sitters are too fucking stupid to remember to put on pants before they leave their house, they’re the people who leave their babies in locked cars on hot days, expecting them to accurately mark off on a voting form which party they want to vote for is ridiculous – there’s a 50/50 chance that a nebulous fencesitting entity will actually vote dem or repug, regardles of which party they claim to have pledeged allegiance with. These are not people you bother trying to court becasue if they do bother to vote, they’ll probably miss and vote for an idependent in tehir mad flailing to actually hit the ballot with some form of writing implement – and that goes double if it’s a hole punch based ballot.
Liebermans are repugs, if Joey goes indepedent thane he’ll be following his predecessor Strom Thurmond, no doubt Joey can call his indepedent party something catchy, like maybe The “I hate everyone who’s not a rich white guy party” to match the segregation party of yore.
No wait, there’s already a “I hate everyone who’s not a rich white guy party” you say?
Oh right. Them.
That’s why supporting Lieberman as a dem is again, really stupid, Lieberman will, eventually, defect to the repugs anyway, it’s just a matter of time regardless of the outcome of this election, it’s an inherent aspect of joe lieberman, he will, one day join the repugs fully, because he’s already joined them in spirit, and then the dems have lost a seat in the senate anyway – and a shit load of progressives will have suported his scraggy ass to achieve that.
Which is why you should always do the right thing, instead of trying to be so fucking politically cunning, if you try to play pretend you’re a politician with actual power in politics you’ll end up eating shit and knowing you deserve it because guess what? you supported the devil and he, as always, screwed you over in return.
Remember Kant’s unversal maxim folks, and make damn sure you’re always on the side history will look back on and say “they did the right thing.”
That’s what progressive politics is all about after all – doing the right thing.
It is notably NOT, no matter who you ask, about the willful napalming of babies for short term gain that, in the long term, which is the sort of scale we need to win this on (don’t think ‘08, think 2020, it’s only taken them 6 years to screw the country over and kill a couple of hundred thousand people, beating them in ‘08 only to get our asses handed back to us in ‘12 does no one any good), does not exist or really matter for squat.
Joe lieberman on the other hand, IS for the willful napalming of babies. No progressives shouldn’t pull any punches – Jane; stop being such a wuss, get nasty dammit!
Because only if we start stringing DINOs up from meat hooks (metaphorically of course, teeheehee) will anything be ahcieved in this country, and only if blogs and progressive organisations break free from vicious circle of democrat fellation & disempowerment will progressive politics become a force more powerful than those fundie mega churchs.
And when that is acheived, progressives won’t need to suck up to liebermans or the dems, because then we’ll actually be bargaining from a position of power – as the righteous always should be.
So in conclusion:
Kos is always a tool, DINOs are always Bad and Joe Lieberman napalms babies while he’s raping them.
Any questions?
* Michelle malkin is pulled out to defend concetration camps for asian americans, condi is whipped out to show how much repugs like black people, joe lieberman is whipped out to support an anti-semitic war, is anyone seeing a rather boringly obvious pattern here? That he’s jewish makes it much more believable that his policies are furiously anti-semitic, he’s a right winger, they’re always the very thing they hate on, if timothy mcviegh was around I’m sure he’d be denouncing muslim terorists on behalf of the republican party. They don’t get irony, only tokenism.
** I think neil employed the FreeMarket Godhead as a mechanism to stop right wing dems actually making right wing policies and voting right wing in right wing votes, unfortunatly I’m not, unlike him, a libertarian, because I actually know a thing or two about economics, and so have no idea why on earth right wing dems would cease being right wing after being voted into office, after all, it’s not like someone would lie about being a psychotic and misogynistic racist. You can therefore make a pretty good guess that right wing dems are actually psychotic and misogynsitic racists, because they say they are, instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt as many dem supporters are so fond of doing.
Why should we vote into office misogynsitic and psychotic racists so they can empower the psychotic and misogynsitic racists who run the party again? I don’t think my internet came with that part of the post.
21 Responses to “But Brain, where can we get meat hooks and a gaggle of sadistic children at this time of night?”
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yay! It posted, the f*cker actually posted!
Hooray for posting!
with mayo and marmite and other icky flavorings, eww
Excuse me…[retches uncontrollably]. Ah, better. So, RM, do you not like Lieberman, or what?
Oh, and yes, extremely accurate assessment. Lieberman is no better than Frist or any number of right-wing dicks, and he’s even worse, because he’ll pretend to be on our side, then vote for evil policies like he’s always done. At least with Frist, he comes right out and says he’s an asshole.
Ahem. Well.
First and foremost, you seem against participation in Democratic Party politics at all, believing that progressives should abandon them and do their own thing. Now, I have a pretty strong record of bashing the Dems for their center-right agenda on this site, so I respect that.
But my entire post was inquiring as to how to get the most we can out of the Lamont/Lieberman election for the progressive agenda within the Democratic Party. My fundamental assumption was: given this shitty, spineless, failure of a Party, what actions taken re: the CT Dem primary will be most effective. It was not a statement of support for Lieberman or even the Dems. It was simply a way to say that if we are trying to operate within the existing framework, then here is how I think we can be most effective.
You want to blow up the framework. And I am 100% in support of that. Over the next 10 years, I would love to be a part of the formation of a stronger progressive political presence than the Dems.
But I will tell you this, RM: we may not have 10 years. If we don’t pass climate legislation ASAP, everything else may be moot b/c we will bake ourselves off the Earth. If we don’t stop the bleeding on the Supreme Court with the next nomination, reporductive rights are toast. And if another Repub congress and prez maintain power, we will surely bring about more war and greater worldwide energy crises to speed up our demise.
No new party will be able to help us with this in time, especially on global warming. We MUST operate within the existing framework to at least deal with it. The Democrats may fail us. I know it’s very possible. But if we abandon them completely, then I KNOW we’re fucked.
It’s possible — not certain, maybe not even likely — that we could have Congress and the White House under Dem control in 2008 and we can at least have a small chance of fighting off some of these dangers.
At almost any other time in my life, particularly with how meek and conservative the Dems have been, I would always eschew party politics in favor of The Bigger Fight. But I believe that if the Dems lose in 2008, everything else will probably be irrelevent. It really will be too late. Maybe that’s too simplistic, but I really feel it’s true. If we are faced with 8 more years of the same crap, or even a Rethug prez who would veto any Dem legislation, we are 100% doomed.
So yes, I am making some compromises up to and through 2008 because I see it as the last, best way to make any kind of difference. And no, that doesn’t mean I am compromising on war or any such thing. But I am saying I would like to leave a tiny crack in the door for a warmonger, on the off chance he keeps his seat, to offer a mea culpa and get back in line and maybe be in position to help save the planet.
That line may not lead anywhere, but abandoning it before 2008 to go stand in the parking lot will f*** us right in the patoot.
I live in Connecticut and am voting in the primary today. As a resident, I can tell you that I’m sick and tired of Lieberman, and I don’t think playing nice is really going to get us anywhere. He’s not representing his constituents, plain and simple. He’s not doing the job that we elected him to do. He’s let us all down, and it’s time for him to get the hell out of the Senate.
It’s easy to talk about “The Bigger Fight” when you’re not the one being “represented” by someone who chooses not to represent you.
WTF? What does that mean, Bryan? I am against Lieberman. Who is supporting Lieberman? I am only saying that we stop just short of making him up in blackface — that is _not_ the same as endorsing a strategy of playing nice. Sheesh. As I said in my post (which already appears forgotten), you can go really far, but there are some things that will ensure he is an enemy no matter what, and I am in favor of stopping _just short_ of things like blackface to make your point on the .01% chance he wins and will consider listening to us. Is that insane to you or something?
Oh, no, it’s not insane. I don’t believe I actually read your post, so obviously I misinterpreted you above. I’d agree with you there.
Hate to bring it up, but once is awhile it’s wise to refrain from sacrificing the better for the perfect.
I wish there was an easy way to measure when to fight and when to compromise, but there’s not. Napalming babies is bad to the degree that we can’t make symbolic stands on the issue. We need to make stands that actually stop the napalm. And that means, unfortunately, getting Democrats into seats because while they may go along with baby napalming in the short term, they a) will not start it and b) will stop it when they have power. If actual reduction of napalmed babies is what we want, we need to work within the system.
ah, thanks bryan. i figured since RM was taking my post to task you had also read it, but i shouldn’t have jumped the gun.
btw, can i just say that the title of this post almost cinches that i will buy the new pinky and the brain dvd? it’s not a responsible purchase, but damn that show was good.
I probably should have read it. My bad.
But new Pinky and the Brain DVD? What what? How could such a thing not be a responsible purchase?
I found this post very disturbing. Okay, fine, filed under “Purposefully Inflammatory”. And I honestly respect (and fear) anybody who can even conceive of racist time traveling incestuous homophobic cannibalistic baby rape.
Lord knows I’m no lover of Lieberman. But this was a Two-Minute Hate against the approved Enemy-of-the-Party du jour. If you focus all your hate on one person (Holy J), of course your vision gets cloudy. Bile ends up spilling more over unconnected peeves (i.e. Kos) than more related– and deserving– parties (i.e. all Holy J’s peers who voted for napalming babies).
It’s good that Joe is being taken to task in the public eye. Bullshit should be called. I just don’t see the utility in defending a racially insensitive photo which you refuse to even view, and then seeking to ratchet things up a level even further. There is an important difference between righteous anger, which can motivate action, and righteous hate, which clouds judgment and gets people lashing out at the nearest convenient target.
I think Punkass Marc’s hit it spot-on. The CT race is important, but it’s not a foregone conclusion. There are larger issues at stake, and it’s wise to think tactically and keep our eyes on the prize: saving the human race from itself.
they a) will not start it and b) will stop it when they have power.
So they let in Alito because… they had the power to stop a far right wing bushchev toady who hates women, gays, and loves napalming and torturing iraqis gettign onto SCOTUS, but voted so that he got onto the SCOTUS because… they’ll stop people torturing and napalming iraqis, and uphold the constitution given rights of women and homosexuals, despite their long track record of voting against such lefty extremist concepts as peace and civil rights, and their retoric which supports their voting record to the hilt?
Seriously, after the Alito fiasco, I am really concerned by the number of liberals who are under the bizarre misunderstanding that people who vote for baby napalming will in someway help stop baby napalming because to any degree because, gosh shucks, deep down they’re really decent people, despite them saying otherwise and acting otherwise and giving us no real indication that they’ve been anything but honest in how they represent themselves as pro-baby napalming.
We know they hate us, we know they’ll let us down when it counts, and always someone whips out this stupid nonsensical blither about “Perfection” versus, what’re the centrist calling it these days? still “compromises” right?
Compromises mean I may not be able to get another abortion in the future, mean that I may die during pregnancy I do not want to go through because Lieberman, and kos and kerry and that crazy DC lady, feel that my uterus is there’s to sacrifice for the greater “good” AKA their bank balance and political clout on the hill.
This is not Perfection I’m talking about, it’s self preservation, it’s “I can’t screw myself over any more, oh crazy guy who thinks he has the right to use my uterus as a pawn in political power games”. And yes this is pretty much a minute of hate, but this is not all my hate, nor is joey, as you can plainly see, the sole target of my hate.
And I tell you this: I do not hate these bastards nearly as much as the relatives of children who have been napalmed.
And on what fucked up world are we living on when “not actively caramalising little children” is some near impossible feat that we have to work slowly towards?
I have gone my entire life without caramalising a single child, it’s really not that hard.
And Marc: I can’t copy and paste stuff right now because IE is fucking me around, but for the record I’m not against involvment in the democratic party, I’m against the democratic party being the be all and end all of progressive politics. I’m against them having a say in who progressive organisations support, NARAL backed lieberman because they got ordered to, because hte duopoly sunk their tentacles in and now we’re all boned. Stuff like that is why we may not have ten years but will probably need them, and so I am aginst stuff like that.
If the dems give me someone worth voting for, I’ll vote for them, I’m not a total absolutist (I’ll try to get a post up about the full mildred plan before I move apartments again) but I am an absolute, fundamental, minimalist when it comes to morality.
And I’m pretty sure that “doesn’t advocate the napalming of babies” can be something that all sane human beings can hold to as a very minimum level of moral decency we should demand of our politicians, and woe be to those who don’t live up to that minimum… And I agree with almost the entirety of your post except the bit where you imply that kos has got it right by not ripping into joey as hard as possible without pulling any punches btw. really.
And whether or not Jane did something specifically icky (white privelage means that if it is horribly racist, I could ignore that aspect of it so that I focus on the joey mockage, which is why I don’t want to see the damn thing – I can’t trust myself to view it accurately through the dense fog of privelage), her heart was in the right place to really try to pull out all the stops attacking him imho.
It’s the thought that counts in my book.
I have hard time casting my vote for someone who’s a Repug Lite. I know that it’s childish, but the only way to fight against them is to not vote for them.
No worries anymore – Lamont won!
“So they let in Alito because… they had the power to stop a far right wing bushchev toady who hates women, gays, and loves napalming and torturing iraqis gettign onto SCOTUS, but voted so that he got onto the SCOTUS because… they’ll stop people torturing and napalming iraqis, and uphold the constitution given rights of women and homosexuals, despite their long track record of voting against such lefty extremist concepts as peace and civil rights, and their retoric which supports their voting record to the hilt?”
Word.
What is WRONG with Connecticut? Did we learn nothing from the Lieberman/Weicker fiasco? How could more than 100,00 damn people, 100,000 damn Democrats, have voted for Mr. I Cannot Allow This Result to Stand? HOW? I have never seen anyone display this kind of hybris and contempt for the voters. I thought if he lost the primary he was done, but nothing will surprise me now. Watch all the independents who hate Bush and the war and the Democrats vote for Joe. Because they’re afraid of a Republican. Republicans are so bad you don’t know what they’ll do, they might, oh, put crazy extremists on the Supreme Court, or accuse opponents of Bush of being traitors, or suggest that rape victims should just dust themselves off and drive to another state to get medical treatment. They must be stopped at all costs.
Make that “hubris” I can spell just can’t type. My god, Lieberman for all intents and purposes dropped out of the Democratic party over a month ago and has been dissing Democratic rank and filers ever since. How could a guy who has no party get 48% of the vote in a primary? HOW? This isn’t even a party anymore, it’s an unorganized, amorphous group of terrified people who’ll vote for anything with a D after its name to avoid the R, even though there’s no real difference between the two in application.
Congratulations to Lamont;
and congratulations to Joe, who if nothing else will probably knock Nader out of the most-loathed-ever third party candidate spot if he keeps this up. Well done, sirs.
I’m sort of wondering where in the linked post I said anything particularly libertarian. As it turns out, I’m pretty far from being a libertarian — I think the government should provide everyone with free health insurance and a bunch of other things.
Ah, Niel; I’m a Libertarian and I’m for universal access to health care, through a universal and simple plan. We would probably have some useful discussion of what the “back end” looks like; what role free enterprise plays, and how, but I do not think that individuals who may or may not have equal ability to function in a complex market should be requred to do so.
I’m also for a guaranteed annual income, thereby dispensing with a whole range of programs that cost far more and have far less positive effect.
You see, as a Libertarian, I’m for having as little government as possible, and the remnant dedicated to doing things that are actually best done by that level of government. I figure people who pay taxes ought to get something tangible in return for it. While free markets do many things better than any other solution, they fail when there is a conflict between making a profit and delivering a promised service, or a very long delay between investment and income.
Indeed, in some cases, the only practical way to profit from some investments is to tax the resulting economic expansion – any other way tends to prevent the economic expansion you were depending on to justify, say, usage fees.
The wealth of a nation is ultimately the people it is composed of, and there is no predicting who is “worth it” and who is not, save in perhaps very broad ways. But one thing is for sure – the more freedom people have, the less central planning can affect their lives, and hence the general allegry to trusting individuals to make “good choices.”
Poverty and ill-health are very effective ways of making liberty irrelevant, which may go a ways to explain why the world bank and dictatorships of all sorts are so dedicated to keeping the majority of their people poor and sick. Seems to me that the most fundamental, constitutionally-mandated task of our government is to maximise individual liberties; to increase the number of choices people have, not just in theory, but in truly practical ways.
R. Mildred: I agree with you but think you could have indulged your spleen less. But I agree; while politics is the art of compromise, it must be within the bounds of principle, and if a politician has none of his own, he at LEAST should have some decent regard for the principles (and interest!) of his constituency.
If anything, I was even harder on him. In a sense, hatred shows you care; and in regard to Lieberman, I do not care. There is no upside to supporting Lieberman in any sense; not even if he gets his “Just Desserts” and is sent to prison with the rest of his cronies, we still have to pay for the privilege of seeing him rot in prison.
Let him luxuriate somewhere else; I would be quite satisfied with him surrendering his passport and going to live in Israel. Northern Israel, by preference.