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		<title>By: Bitch &#124; Lab &#187; The politics of world construction</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/07/17/sex-positivity-doesnt-mean-sex-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-12380</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitch &#124; Lab &#187; The politics of world construction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [1] Which is what R Mildred and Amanda call for in a sense, though they don&#8217;t put it in these terms. They think, to be a feminist, you have to consciously think about that blow job or facial and remember that, if you do it, you are engaging in submissive sexual activities. And if you talk about them publicly, then you&#8217;re reproducing sexism not just in the bedroom, but in public. They want to see a world where we consciously consider how we participate in the reproduction of sexism and then act on our deliberations. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [1] Which is what R Mildred and Amanda call for in a sense, though they don&#8217;t put it in these terms. They think, to be a feminist, you have to consciously think about that blow job or facial and remember that, if you do it, you are engaging in submissive sexual activities. And if you talk about them publicly, then you&#8217;re reproducing sexism not just in the bedroom, but in public. They want to see a world where we consciously consider how we participate in the reproduction of sexism and then act on our deliberations. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In which a fight breaks out, causing everyone to denounce everyone else for being militant lesbian trotskyists at PunkAssBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>In which a fight breaks out, causing everyone to denounce everyone else for being militant lesbian trotskyists at PunkAssBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But using them as an insult just stinks of the classic (oppressor created usually) divisive Us/Other dichotomy, will radfems work with us while they&#8217;re farting around trying to organize their doomed revolution? yes/no? If yes then they&#8217;re feminists, and if you have doctrinal differences with them then argue them, draw them into the neccesary argeuments and debates if neccesary, don&#8217;t sit on your blog going on and on about how foolish and bad radical feminism is on your blog in what amounts to little more than an insufferably stuck up act of marxist feminist auto-fellatio. If they won&#8217;t argue or they keep trying to screw poeple over rather than actually face criticisms of their often whacked-out-to-jerusalem-and-back theories based on selective bias and willful dismissal of the oppression of homosexuals, POC and the working classes, then fair enough, ignore them, don&#8217;t continually discuss how flawed they are because they object to orgasms, just ignore them - it&#8217;s like when erika declared that I&#8217;ve managed to convince ks that she needs my permission to wear highheels, when did I get that power? Who gave me that power? ks would have been the only one who could have given me veto rights over her shoes, but if she had been doing that (and she wasn&#8217;t) I would have laughed her off PAB, I&#8217;m not going to be anyone&#8217;s ideologue, if I say something that leads someone to change their actions in someway, and it&#8217;s a good sort of change, well good for them. I&#8217;m not going to get an inflated head or think that I&#8217;m a good person or even a smart person who&#8217;s words people must obey, ffs, who am I to tell anyone what to do? Who gives me power to force change upon people&#8217;s lives? Why do I have to tell other people this? Surely my total pissant nature as a blogger shows this to be an obvious and inherent fact of whatever I write? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But using them as an insult just stinks of the classic (oppressor created usually) divisive Us/Other dichotomy, will radfems work with us while they&#8217;re farting around trying to organize their doomed revolution? yes/no? If yes then they&#8217;re feminists, and if you have doctrinal differences with them then argue them, draw them into the neccesary argeuments and debates if neccesary, don&#8217;t sit on your blog going on and on about how foolish and bad radical feminism is on your blog in what amounts to little more than an insufferably stuck up act of marxist feminist auto-fellatio. If they won&#8217;t argue or they keep trying to screw poeple over rather than actually face criticisms of their often whacked-out-to-jerusalem-and-back theories based on selective bias and willful dismissal of the oppression of homosexuals, POC and the working classes, then fair enough, ignore them, don&#8217;t continually discuss how flawed they are because they object to orgasms, just ignore them &#8211; it&#8217;s like when erika declared that I&#8217;ve managed to convince ks that she needs my permission to wear highheels, when did I get that power? Who gave me that power? ks would have been the only one who could have given me veto rights over her shoes, but if she had been doing that (and she wasn&#8217;t) I would have laughed her off PAB, I&#8217;m not going to be anyone&#8217;s ideologue, if I say something that leads someone to change their actions in someway, and it&#8217;s a good sort of change, well good for them. I&#8217;m not going to get an inflated head or think that I&#8217;m a good person or even a smart person who&#8217;s words people must obey, ffs, who am I to tell anyone what to do? Who gives me power to force change upon people&#8217;s lives? Why do I have to tell other people this? Surely my total pissant nature as a blogger shows this to be an obvious and inherent fact of whatever I write? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In which a fight breaks out, causing everyone to denounce everyone else for being militant lesbian trotskyists at PunkAssBlog.com</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/07/17/sex-positivity-doesnt-mean-sex-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-4285</link>
		<dc:creator>In which a fight breaks out, causing everyone to denounce everyone else for being militant lesbian trotskyists at PunkAssBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And I don&#8217;t mind being proved wrong by the way, half of the points I throw out there I expect to be proved wrong, the ones I don&#8217;t aer of course the ones I most enjoy being proved wrong about though, for instance I am both weirded out and in sheer awe at the whole variance of human sexual practices by Belledame222&#8217;s correction in one of the pre-sex melee posts, that some lesbians like performing fellatio was a new one to me, one I&#8217;m almost too scared to inquire about (if you have a post explaining the whys and wherefors Belledame I wouldn&#8217;t mind knowing about it though, I am a curious cat indeed), and her point about the incorrect nature of the idea that lesbians find sexual acts with men disgusting is a good point (though not one I actually made, like how I never said that missionary position was a submissive act (B&#124;L) nor how submissive fellatio apparently is (I have in fact argued otherwise, Darklady, but you know, don&#8217;t read what I actually said or anything people, piss me off until I go out of my way to give you something substantial to hate please, I like fucking with your heads) especially as it is part of the classic &#8220;man-hating lesbian&#8221; canard, and you can&#8217;t publically flog a canard enough for my tastes (I denounce my inherently oppressive sexual canard flogging kinkiness in all its forms btw, because that adds an extra level of taboo based juiciness to it all, mwoar). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And I don&#8217;t mind being proved wrong by the way, half of the points I throw out there I expect to be proved wrong, the ones I don&#8217;t aer of course the ones I most enjoy being proved wrong about though, for instance I am both weirded out and in sheer awe at the whole variance of human sexual practices by Belledame222&#8217;s correction in one of the pre-sex melee posts, that some lesbians like performing fellatio was a new one to me, one I&#8217;m almost too scared to inquire about (if you have a post explaining the whys and wherefors Belledame I wouldn&#8217;t mind knowing about it though, I am a curious cat indeed), and her point about the incorrect nature of the idea that lesbians find sexual acts with men disgusting is a good point (though not one I actually made, like how I never said that missionary position was a submissive act (B|L) nor how submissive fellatio apparently is (I have in fact argued otherwise, Darklady, but you know, don&#8217;t read what I actually said or anything people, piss me off until I go out of my way to give you something substantial to hate please, I like fucking with your heads) especially as it is part of the classic &#8220;man-hating lesbian&#8221; canard, and you can&#8217;t publically flog a canard enough for my tastes (I denounce my inherently oppressive sexual canard flogging kinkiness in all its forms btw, because that adds an extra level of taboo based juiciness to it all, mwoar). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heleh H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heleh H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAJeff,

There used to be a store in Waltham that carried up to mens 14 in heels.  I don&#039;t think its there anymore though, I think they were moving south along 128 but don&#039;t remember where.  They were the only place I could get non-standard type hose (for women) in a pinch on a Sat afternoon when I didn&#039;t have time to run up to Burlington back in 95-96.

Someone at Friends Landing in Haverhill could probably give you a line on where to pick some up now.


I find I&#039;m with Amber, Grendel, Foolishowl and Cheryl.  I find other people telling me what I should enjoy sexually, and therefore what I should be ashamed of if it happens to be something else, terribly repressive and offinsive, not to mention none of their business (unless it includes exhabitionism and I inflict it on them without permission, warning or in an inappropriate setting, all just rude IMO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAJeff,</p>
<p>There used to be a store in Waltham that carried up to mens 14 in heels.  I don&#8217;t think its there anymore though, I think they were moving south along 128 but don&#8217;t remember where.  They were the only place I could get non-standard type hose (for women) in a pinch on a Sat afternoon when I didn&#8217;t have time to run up to Burlington back in 95-96.</p>
<p>Someone at Friends Landing in Haverhill could probably give you a line on where to pick some up now.</p>
<p>I find I&#8217;m with Amber, Grendel, Foolishowl and Cheryl.  I find other people telling me what I should enjoy sexually, and therefore what I should be ashamed of if it happens to be something else, terribly repressive and offinsive, not to mention none of their business (unless it includes exhabitionism and I inflict it on them without permission, warning or in an inappropriate setting, all just rude IMO).</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I&#039;m not giving up my heels for anyone. I like being able to stand at between 6&#039;2&quot; and 6&#039;5&quot;. I&#039;m not afraid of the fact that I have a shoe fetish.

That said, I&#039;m not going to pretend that it&#039;s a good idea to wear them constantly, that they aren&#039;t bad for my back, and that they do make certain things like running difficult (although I can cross a cattle grid in them). I like them despite all that, for my own reasons, and I&#039;m not too offended by people not automatically knowing those reasons. People are free to assume what they like about my shoes, and if queried I will explain my reasons for wearing them. 

The only time I&#039;m going to get pissed by anyone challenging my heel-wearing is if they dismiss or ignore that explanation and rationale, because then they cross the line into assuming they know what goes on in my head more than I do. I think a few people felt that way over the Great Blowjob Incident of 2006, although I didn&#039;t necessarily see it.

MAJeff: http://www.funkefeet.com/ sell fetish heels up to a US 14, and is delightfully devoid of the trashy porn-style imagery that usually decorates such sites. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m not giving up my heels for anyone. I like being able to stand at between 6&#8217;2&#8243; and 6&#8217;5&#8243;. I&#8217;m not afraid of the fact that I have a shoe fetish.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not going to pretend that it&#8217;s a good idea to wear them constantly, that they aren&#8217;t bad for my back, and that they do make certain things like running difficult (although I can cross a cattle grid in them). I like them despite all that, for my own reasons, and I&#8217;m not too offended by people not automatically knowing those reasons. People are free to assume what they like about my shoes, and if queried I will explain my reasons for wearing them. </p>
<p>The only time I&#8217;m going to get pissed by anyone challenging my heel-wearing is if they dismiss or ignore that explanation and rationale, because then they cross the line into assuming they know what goes on in my head more than I do. I think a few people felt that way over the Great Blowjob Incident of 2006, although I didn&#8217;t necessarily see it.</p>
<p>MAJeff: <a href="http://www.funkefeet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.funkefeet.com/</a> sell fetish heels up to a US 14, and is delightfully devoid of the trashy porn-style imagery that usually decorates such sites. <img src='http://punkassblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. Good to see someone weighing in on the discussion who seems to see both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. Good to see someone weighing in on the discussion who seems to see both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: JackGoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackGoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last sentence should be:

Choosing someone who thinks of sex that way will probably solve a lot of the patriarchical issues of sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last sentence should be:</p>
<p>Choosing someone who thinks of sex that way will probably solve a lot of the patriarchical issues of sex.</p>
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		<title>By: JackGoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackGoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber, I totally agree with you that knowing the motivations of people is hard sometimes.  That&#039;s why I like to stress that you should have sex with someone you feel you can trust.  Something like a blowjob occuring under the heading of BDSM isn&#039;t degrading, but uplifting for both partners if they both enjoy it.  The point is that it&#039;s something you work out as individuals with your partner.  And if your partner isn&#039;t willing to be open and talk about the sex you two are going to have together, they might not be the partner you think they are.  The key word is &quot;partner.&quot;  Meaning you are working together towards mutual pleasure.  Thinking of sex as a team effort generally solves a lot of the issues relating to the inherent problem of knowing the other person&#039;s motivations.  Choosing someone who thinks of sex that will probably solve a lot of the patriarchical issues of sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber, I totally agree with you that knowing the motivations of people is hard sometimes.  That&#8217;s why I like to stress that you should have sex with someone you feel you can trust.  Something like a blowjob occuring under the heading of BDSM isn&#8217;t degrading, but uplifting for both partners if they both enjoy it.  The point is that it&#8217;s something you work out as individuals with your partner.  And if your partner isn&#8217;t willing to be open and talk about the sex you two are going to have together, they might not be the partner you think they are.  The key word is &#8220;partner.&#8221;  Meaning you are working together towards mutual pleasure.  Thinking of sex as a team effort generally solves a lot of the issues relating to the inherent problem of knowing the other person&#8217;s motivations.  Choosing someone who thinks of sex that will probably solve a lot of the patriarchical issues of sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Use your heads people, there’s a middle ground between patriarchy affirming anti-sex puritanical idiocy and anything goes patriarchy affirming idiocy, and that middle ground IS simply called “Feminism” by those in the know.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then the issue becomes &lt;b&gt;who&lt;/b&gt; gets to define where that middle ground is?  Seems to me that conforming to someone else&#039;s puritanical ideal about any given sex act is merely trading one owner for another.  Only &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; get to decide what I like and what feels good.  &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; get to choose what I want to do sexually and with whom.  Anything less is something less than &quot;Feminism,&quot; imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Use your heads people, there’s a middle ground between patriarchy affirming anti-sex puritanical idiocy and anything goes patriarchy affirming idiocy, and that middle ground IS simply called “Feminism” by those in the know.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Then the issue becomes <b>who</b> gets to define where that middle ground is?  Seems to me that conforming to someone else&#8217;s puritanical ideal about any given sex act is merely trading one owner for another.  Only <b>I</b> get to decide what I like and what feels good.  <i>I</i> get to choose what I want to do sexually and with whom.  Anything less is something less than &#8220;Feminism,&#8221; imho.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolishOwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolishOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s just something offensively patronizing about assuming you understand a woman’s motivations more than she does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which was EXACTLY what was offensive about Twisty&#039;s original post on fellatio. It&#039;s up to the individual to determine the individual&#039;s own desires. Declaring what other&#039;s desires are, or should be, is authoritarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There’s just something offensively patronizing about assuming you understand a woman’s motivations more than she does.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which was EXACTLY what was offensive about Twisty&#8217;s original post on fellatio. It&#8217;s up to the individual to determine the individual&#8217;s own desires. Declaring what other&#8217;s desires are, or should be, is authoritarian.</p>
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