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		<title>By: Bitch &#124; Lab</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/06/20/just-say-no-to-quid-pro-quo/comment-page-1/#comment-12393</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitch &#124; Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The 17th Carnival of Feminists...&lt;/strong&gt;

I like carnivals. The blog&#8217;s domain name, Pulp Culture, is named for the  Ivrea Carnival and the historic Battle of the Oranges. The Ivrea Carnival has its roots in a story that readers of a feminist carnival might appreciate:
At that time a Coun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The 17th Carnival of Feminists&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I like carnivals. The blog&#8217;s domain name, Pulp Culture, is named for the  Ivrea Carnival and the historic Battle of the Oranges. The Ivrea Carnival has its roots in a story that readers of a feminist carnival might appreciate:<br />
At that time a Coun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bitch &#124; Lab</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/06/20/just-say-no-to-quid-pro-quo/comment-page-1/#comment-12394</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitch &#124; Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The 17th Carnival of Feminists...&lt;/strong&gt;

I like carnivals. The blog&#8217;s domain name, Pulp Culture, is named for the  Ivrea Carnival and the historic Battle of the Oranges. The Ivrea Carnival has its roots in a story that readers of a feminist carnival might appreciate:
At that time a Coun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The 17th Carnival of Feminists&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I like carnivals. The blog&#8217;s domain name, Pulp Culture, is named for the  Ivrea Carnival and the historic Battle of the Oranges. The Ivrea Carnival has its roots in a story that readers of a feminist carnival might appreciate:<br />
At that time a Coun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hang up those clitorii girls, the under 30&#8217;s set is coming to town at PunkAssBlog.com</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/06/20/just-say-no-to-quid-pro-quo/comment-page-1/#comment-7326</link>
		<dc:creator>Hang up those clitorii girls, the under 30&#8217;s set is coming to town at PunkAssBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned, way back in the day, that:  To my understanding and personal experience of it, sex positive feminism is all about an active rejection of the patriarchy’s rape culture, while still being sexual because you are a sexual creature, this means that you have to reject anything obligatory, coercive, forced, abusive or just plain creepy (to whatever the hell standard of creepy you decide on) in sex if at all possible. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I mentioned, way back in the day, that:  To my understanding and personal experience of it, sex positive feminism is all about an active rejection of the patriarchy’s rape culture, while still being sexual because you are a sexual creature, this means that you have to reject anything obligatory, coercive, forced, abusive or just plain creepy (to whatever the hell standard of creepy you decide on) in sex if at all possible. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/06/20/just-say-no-to-quid-pro-quo/comment-page-1/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Men simply aren’t afraid they’ll have the word “fish” thrown at them in bed.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Pig,&quot; maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Men simply aren’t afraid they’ll have the word “fish” thrown at them in bed.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Pig,&#8221; maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno, R.  A lot of women say they come harder from masturbating than intercourse, but they still want to have sex with men because they like the closeness.  Coming harder from masturbating is seriously common, probably more than half the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, R.  A lot of women say they come harder from masturbating than intercourse, but they still want to have sex with men because they like the closeness.  Coming harder from masturbating is seriously common, probably more than half the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;without getting into innumerable other things that makes the situation unequal, that’s something that people tried to raise at twisty’s i think. it was spoken of abstractly here and there at Pandagon, but I dont’ think concrete examples were ever offered.&lt;/i&gt;

One of those things, in my experience, is women have a lot more internalized pressure not to ask for certain things than men do.  I&#039;m pretty open-minded but it&#039;s downright hard for me to ask for head.  All it takes is one lover to make a face like you just served him a plate of dog food to put you off asking forever.  So that&#039;s one huge difference.  Men simply aren&#039;t afraid they&#039;ll have the word &quot;fish&quot; thrown at them in bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>without getting into innumerable other things that makes the situation unequal, that’s something that people tried to raise at twisty’s i think. it was spoken of abstractly here and there at Pandagon, but I dont’ think concrete examples were ever offered.</i></p>
<p>One of those things, in my experience, is women have a lot more internalized pressure not to ask for certain things than men do.  I&#8217;m pretty open-minded but it&#8217;s downright hard for me to ask for head.  All it takes is one lover to make a face like you just served him a plate of dog food to put you off asking forever.  So that&#8217;s one huge difference.  Men simply aren&#8217;t afraid they&#8217;ll have the word &#8220;fish&#8221; thrown at them in bed.</p>
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		<title>By: sly civilian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sly civilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This does not of course mean ...then kick them out or put your clothes on and leave.&quot;

The run-on sentence never looked so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This does not of course mean &#8230;then kick them out or put your clothes on and leave.&#8221;</p>
<p>The run-on sentence never looked so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Off topic, but germane to Bitch &#124; Lab&#039;s comment...)

Since I first saw the inside of one of those men&#039;s health mags, I knew they were all worthless. Since I first saw the inside of a fashion magazine, I knew they were all harmful pieces of trash.

If you know me, you know I&#039;m no anarchist, but seriously people: Stop watching television and stop reading these obtuse magazines. Without a doubt, it&#039;ll make your sex life and overall mood better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Off topic, but germane to Bitch | Lab&#8217;s comment&#8230;)</p>
<p>Since I first saw the inside of one of those men&#8217;s health mags, I knew they were all worthless. Since I first saw the inside of a fashion magazine, I knew they were all harmful pieces of trash.</p>
<p>If you know me, you know I&#8217;m no anarchist, but seriously people: Stop watching television and stop reading these obtuse magazines. Without a doubt, it&#8217;ll make your sex life and overall mood better.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitch &#124; Lab</title>
		<link>http://punkassblog.com/2006/06/20/just-say-no-to-quid-pro-quo/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitch &#124; Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a friend once who couldn&#039;t get off at all unless it was oral. She totally enjoyed all kinds of positions. She just didn&#039;t get off.

I should think men would have to account for those women, if they happen to be dating them. which might be a kind of structurally built in reason why quid pro quo is out. 

the other factor is that men always forget that, in terms of the larger culture, the images shot back at you are that you are not defined by your ability to please women per se. that is just one option for being a man. when you read men&#039;s health or whatever mag geared toward men, you invariably read the argument that, if you like the hummer, then you should be sure to do it for her so you can get some goodness in return.

IOW, you are told to have an enlightened self interest. if it turns out you like it, great! plus, right off the bat, you are subtly being told that you should expect it.

Women&#039;s mags, OTOH, usually start from the assumption that every gal IS a gal b/c she wants to please her man. it makes her who she is. occasionally, women&#039;s mags will say you should blow the guy to get blow, but not so much.

There&#039;s an imbalance there that conditions how we think of our very sexual identities and men have more options. You can find plenty out there to tell you to just take what you can get, who really cares if she gets off and still _feel_ like a man. not so much as it used to be, but....

without getting into innumerable other things that makes the situation unequal, that&#039;s something that people tried to raise at twisty&#039;s i think. it was spoken of abstractly here and there at Pandagon, but I dont&#039; think concrete examples were ever offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a friend once who couldn&#8217;t get off at all unless it was oral. She totally enjoyed all kinds of positions. She just didn&#8217;t get off.</p>
<p>I should think men would have to account for those women, if they happen to be dating them. which might be a kind of structurally built in reason why quid pro quo is out. </p>
<p>the other factor is that men always forget that, in terms of the larger culture, the images shot back at you are that you are not defined by your ability to please women per se. that is just one option for being a man. when you read men&#8217;s health or whatever mag geared toward men, you invariably read the argument that, if you like the hummer, then you should be sure to do it for her so you can get some goodness in return.</p>
<p>IOW, you are told to have an enlightened self interest. if it turns out you like it, great! plus, right off the bat, you are subtly being told that you should expect it.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s mags, OTOH, usually start from the assumption that every gal IS a gal b/c she wants to please her man. it makes her who she is. occasionally, women&#8217;s mags will say you should blow the guy to get blow, but not so much.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an imbalance there that conditions how we think of our very sexual identities and men have more options. You can find plenty out there to tell you to just take what you can get, who really cares if she gets off and still _feel_ like a man. not so much as it used to be, but&#8230;.</p>
<p>without getting into innumerable other things that makes the situation unequal, that&#8217;s something that people tried to raise at twisty&#8217;s i think. it was spoken of abstractly here and there at Pandagon, but I dont&#8217; think concrete examples were ever offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t even necessarily disagree with this. But “asking” and “absolutely demanding” are indeed two separate things.&lt;/i&gt;

I think it&#039;s fairly clear that in context, the asking is less &quot;please go down on me&quot; and more &quot;ok, I did you, now will you do me?&quot; Although I, too, agree that either type of asking before he&#039;s established his credentials is risky at best.

The post is a tad jargony, so I could be wholly misinterpreting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t even necessarily disagree with this. But “asking” and “absolutely demanding” are indeed two separate things.</i></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly clear that in context, the asking is less &#8220;please go down on me&#8221; and more &#8220;ok, I did you, now will you do me?&#8221; Although I, too, agree that either type of asking before he&#8217;s established his credentials is risky at best.</p>
<p>The post is a tad jargony, so I could be wholly misinterpreting it.</p>
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