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Online dating advice for taste-impaired men everywhere

Hey guys.

Dating’s a pain in the ass, right? You’ve uninvitedly gyrated against anything with a pulse at your favorite dance halls, you’ve drooled while talking at women’s chests all over town, and you’ve stood with a boombox outside every window in your neighborhood on the off chance someone doesn’t throw a paperweight at you. No dice.

So how’s a fella who doesn’t understand the first thing about appropriate behavior navigate the dating world in the 21st century?

Why, it’s time to go online! Here, your poor manners and bad taste can be masked behind an HTML shield of false advertising.

What’s that? You say you haven’t had any luck with dating sites, either? Well, damn. I guess it’s not so easy to pretend to be an interesting, thoughtful person, is it? Turns out you actually need to be one. Weird, I know.

But let’s say that, deep down, you aren’t as self-absorbed, sexist, and rude as your learned behaviors indicate. Maybe there’s a spark of decency inside you, something that recognizes your attitudes must change. If so, expressing it will be crucial to cultivating relationships that last longer than the 8 minutes someone tolerated you before throwing a drink in your face.

Since you haven’t had much luck chatting up women online, let’s take a quick look at how you introduce yourself.

If you fire an opening salvo like this:

Hey baby hit me up sometime. Peez- big daddy bryce

Consider that a woman may not have been given any reason to “hit you up.” Perhaps you should tell her something interesting about herself [something outside your video game proficiency is preferred] or make a clever observation about her profile that doesn’t involve her rack. Try following up on one of her hobbies or interests, though phrases like “what’s the deal with gardening and shit?” will generally illicit a negative response.

Also, avoid including pet names for yourself. Be it “da pymp” or “fast eddie” or “jackhammer,” these labels are best left out of your initial contact. Let someone decide for herself just how shallow and obnoxious you are. I’m sure she’ll offer plenty of new additions to your collection.

Finally, consider following basic spelling and grammar rules. This indicates the capacity for sentient thought, a quality increasingly in demand.

On the flip side, don’t send a message like this:

Hey sexy! I was really impressed with your profile. I’ve been looking for a soulmate since I was 9, and I think you could be the One. I’m the exact same age as you and I also like going to movies and hanging out with friends. How wild is that? Actually, I don’t have that many friends right now, but that just means more time for us to spend in each other’s arms. You seem like the kind of girl who would give a nice guy a chance (for a change!), so drop me a line if you’re ready for something Real. Yours truly, Aaron

You, uh, might be coming on a little strongly there, Aaron. Though star signs, occupations, and religious preferences may say a lot about a person, commonality in some or all of these doesn’t necessarily equate to soulmatery. Hard as it may be to accept, you only know enough about her to warrant further conversation, so communicate casually — and try not to mention your grandmother’s engagement ring right away. Follow some of the advice we gave to “big daddy bryce,” and don’t make a move to meet in person until she’s had a chance to decide if you’re worth her while.

Oh, and drop the nice guy routine. Seriously.

Provided you’ve written a less-than-embarrassing email, the odds are good a prospective date will investigate your profile. Given that some sense of your personality has been derived from your note, she’ll probably be interested in your picture.

It’s absolutely crucial you are not this guy:
shirtless dude
No matter how hot your bod, an unsolicited display of nipples this early in the introductory process can be… offputting. Sucking in your gut while holding your breath and trying to smile is also less than flattering. Try mixing in a shirt, at least in your primary profile photo. Most people like the idea that they could be seen with their significant other in public, and wearing proper attire (or even just attire) demonstrates you grasp the basics of common decency.

However, even clothes can’t save you here:
cutout ex
Unless you have a humpback, the only reason you’d be standing like that is because you’re pressed closely against another person. And despite the subtle cropping, it’s pretty obvious this was probably someone with whom you were close. Some might say it’s probably one of your exes, especially if you’re wearing a shiteating grin like this guy. Some huckleberries do an even worse job of hiding this:
cutout ex 2
I have to believe that somewhere a photo of you exists that shows you unattached from the cheek or hip of a previous date. Use it.

Now, assuming you’ve represented yourself competently in your photo, try to do the same in your profile. Avoid any phrases that suggest a woman must be granted the privilege to “speak here mind,” use complete sentences occasionally, and try not to sound drunk, creepy, and pathetic all at once. Do everything you can not to be like Robert:

Who am I, I am Robert. I don’t know what to really say about myself. So here is a try. I like to laugh, make you laugh. Not the best at it. Will always try. Enjoy companionship. I believe a lady should be treated like a lady. She should be willing & free to speak here mind. Wants to have fun in whatever we might do. I am passive in most things. I have not dated in years. It’s nuts how the scene has changed. Bar seen is not my style. I believe communication is very important. Like to talk. I tend to speak freely. I am true to my friends, love my family. Its rather large with all the nieces & nephews. No kids of my own. I have a stable life & enjoy it. Love my pets. Very dependable, always willing to help. A good listener. Value everything in my life. Figure I have nothing to lose by trying this internet thing. Not looking for anything serious. But not afraid of anything that comes to be. New friends. So what the heck lets see if there is something out here in the net. Self promotion is not very fun…It sounds so serious. Wanna know more Just ask…

It also helps not to convey immediately that your partner will be required to do all the heavy lifting, a la this gent:

I am a hard working professional with a strong work ethic; I love God, my family, myself and women. Have had a difficult time finding the right woman to enjoy life with and who will do whatever it takes to make it work.

[NOTE: Avoid saying you "love women." Just trust me.]

And if you are smart and interesting, you’re halfway there. In that case, you may think you’re special, but god help you if you demonstrate it thusly:

Have you ever thought you played the perfect match of tennis in the perfect Austin weather even though you lost toy our best freind afterwards having a chilled glass of Viognier at the Hotel San Jose succeeding an expertly poached salmon in spicy mango sauce – the one dish you can make better than anyone – just before dancing to Dale Watson across the street at the Continental Club where you laugh in remembrace of the time you went to the Netherlands last year to see Dale in concert just because why-the-heck-not all the while having that obscure philosophy passage you read perk up in your mind reminding yourself to bring it up in conversation over a cheese plate at the lounge at the Four Seasons, but definitely not before the piano guy plays your request, Sara Smile by Hall & Oates, until thoughts give way to sleep give way to dreams about tomorrow’s hike, longhorn baseball bleacher sitting, and whatever? no? why not?

This guy’s way too far up his own ass for me to help him, but it’s not too late for you. Remember, when the urge to dip your toe in the stream of consciousness waters hits you, resist. Don’t try to cram in evidence of your shameful taste in music (Hall and Oates?), and never, ever, ever play the overly-specific game. Contrary to your belief in your own gripping originality, all of this has in fact been done before. Statistical analysis shows the results from such efforts are less than encouraging.

I’d say just follow your instincts, but I think that’s what’s gotten you, and the examples here (provided by reader carrie), into trouble. Instead, I guess you should try to suck less as a person.* From there, the rest will probably fall into place — in dating and in life. [slap on the shoulder] Best of luck with that.

*”Self-improvement” advice found in the pages of Maxim, FHM, or Blender may be hazardous to your dating health. You have been warned.

14 Responses to “Online dating advice for taste-impaired men everywhere”

  1. Tammy says:

    Ignore the wife! She doesn’t have to know, anyway.

  2. V. Bacfarc says:

    Where did you dig up those photos, or dare I ask? And I hope (although it is a poor, lonely, forelorn hope) that you made up those personal ads….

  3. punkass marc says:

    Reader carrie provided me with access to allllll of these people. The only thing I created were the intro email samples. All the rest is 100% real.

  4. carrie says:

    but you haven’t answered my question, marc! i only sent you all of these ads so you could help me decide which one i should answer. robert, right?

    i almost want to get mr. poached salmon to take me on a date. i’d bet $100 that he’d be all like, “i don’t know, what do you want to do?” and it would turn out that he’d only been to the hotel san jose once when his parents were in town for a visit, he doesn’t have a passport, he’s never gone on a spontaneous vacation, and he actually hates viognier.

  5. punkass marc says:

    Dinner between carrie and Robert:

    carrie: So what kind of music are you into?

    Robert: Like all music. Listen to things, many things.

    carrie: …uh, that’s good, I guess. Anything specific? What would you put on the radio now if you could?

    Robert: Enjoy Manhattan Transfer.

    carrie: Fanscinating. Have you ever completed a coherent sentence before?

    Robert: Co… word means?

    [melee ensues]

    So, yeah. Definitely Robert.

  6. During the 25 years I played the straight I was also a big believer in the nice guy ploy. I think it’s just like the people who say, “I’ll write when I have more time or I’ll pay off my bills once I get that promotion.” It’s easier to be a victim of something, isn’t it? You can own that. You don’t have to accept the truth that girls don’t like you because you’re boring and have bad social skills and a beer gut.

    Since my gay days have begun, I’ve had a number of guys who pretended to want to be my friend disappear the minute they know I’m not interested in them sexually. How often are these “nice guys” really the shallow ones? I get called shallow, because I don’t want to date somebody I have NOTHING in common with. Gossiping about people and sex is hardly something to base a relationship on.

    If you thumb through a Male Cosmo – Details, Men’s Health, or Maxim you’d think that you have to be an overbearing asshole just to get a date. Why not spend some time forming an opinion about our political system or why Dave Matthews is lame instead? Some controversy and fire will make you very attractive.

  7. V. Bacfarc says:

    “Reader carrie provided me with access to allllll of these people. The only thing I created were the intro email samples. All the rest is 100% real.”

    Oops, now that you mentioned that, I caught the statement in the post. Alas, I blame the patriarchy or at least the fact that I spent way too much time reading scientific documents….

    carrie, if you do go on a date with any of these guys, please bring a tape recorder and post a transcript of the conversation. I think we all need more enlightenment of this type.

  8. Susan says:

    “it would turn out that he’d only been to the hotel san jose once when his parents were in town for a visit, he doesn’t have a passport, he’s never gone on a spontaneous vacation, and he actually hates viognier.”

    Bahahahaha…excellent. I have to ask: Do any of the photos match up with the profiles quoted?

  9. punkass marc says:

    only one. the eloquent robert is the last photo.

  10. carrie says:

    i tried yahoo dating two times.

    boy #1 wanted me to smoke some pot with him on a crowded restaurant patio approximately 10 minutes into the date and i had to drive him home because he didn’t own a car for “enviromental reasons.” i guess my car’s fumes didn’t count because he didn’t own it.

    boy #2 turned out to be someone that my friends and i had been making fun of a few months before at an annual austin event because he was dressed up in a horrifically stupid and awful outfit and most of our date was spent with him telling me stories about all the fun and kooky things he’d done in college. college was 8 years ago buddy! get a life!

    no more yahoos for me. not even in the interest of research.

    i highly recommend making up a search of your own though and having the results emailed to you weekly. it’s entertaining. and sometimes you even see someone you know!

  11. Andrew says:

    If you thumb through a Male Cosmo – Details, Men’s Health, or Maxim you’d think that you have to be an overbearing asshole just to get a date.

    If I believed Men’s Health maybe I wouldn’t think spending thousands to look like a self-obsessed poser was a bad thing.

  12. JenM says:

    The on-line dating thing works in that you can meet people but it takes a lot of time and energy plus dealing with the emails above. Crazy emails I rec’d went something like “helo prety well u r more than a woman i must say.” I have no idea what that meant and so grateful the guy lived in Oregon. There were several men who wanted to “treat me like a princess, spoil me and make all of my dreams come true.” I always wanted to ask them if that meant they were going to solve my upstairs flooring dilemma and complete my other ongoing condo renovation projects. The guys who emailed “hey you are hot want to get a drink” I wanted to ask “does that work in bars? no, really? and so why do you think it works here?”

    Good advice Marc – you may have a future as an online dating consultant!

  13. jaxson says:

    Good job of telling us guys what not to do. We appreciate it. However, we’re still feeling confused. How about writing up an example of a good personal ad? Perhaps about yourself or someone you know? That would really be helpful.

  14. punkass marc says:

    Heh. There’s no secret answer that always works, man. I’m only trying to point out the things that _never_ work, and in fact should cause the dogs to be sicced on you.

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